Pro Cycling Discussion 2017

Surprising time gaps today considering the length of tt. Chuffed for g to come out top. Valverde out is a big loss for quintana and sky will be very happy with a few cards to play.

Porte was absolutely atrocious and looks like everyone's predictions of one bad day may have already come true.
 
Surprising time gaps today considering the length of tt. Chuffed for g to come out top. Valverde out is a big loss for quintana and sky will be very happy with a few cards to play.

Porte was absolutely atrocious and looks like everyone's predictions of one bad day may have already come true.

To be fair I think many were playing it safe, instead of a chance of coming off and pulling out of the race all together.
 
There was only about 7 corners, how people like contador and porte got beat by people like Simon Yates and were similar to quintana for what even in the wet was a series of straights.

I think porte was very disappointed to be so far off. There is being cautious and then there is losing over 30 seconds to a direct rival when you've had the recent form to beat them in that discipline.
 
Izagirre binned it on the same corner as Valverde and didn't finish either.

I'm surprised there wasn't some sort of padding or even straw bales on that corner. From the TV footage, I'd guess Valverde's break comes from his leg hitting the barrier and being quite straight, so the impact force goes up to his kneecap.
 
Cav looks to be going home, then. Not sure I agree with the 'Sagan elbowed him' hysteria, though.

Looks like a simple collision to me.

Are you having a laugh? Have a watch again, it's pretty obvious Sagan elbowed him on purpose although I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he meant to do it as a blocking move as opposed to putting Cav into the barrier as I would like to think Sagan isn't a wrongun. Have a look again http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-sagan-sparks-cavendish-crash-during-vittel-sprint/

Edit: Looking at other sites it shows Cav looking like he was about to come off as he was leaning into Sagan as Sagan was coming across him, so would have crashed anyway so he elbow wasn't of much consequence.
 
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Wow, did not see that coming. Very sad news that Cav is [all but] out, and Sagan DQ'd. Two of the more interesting characters gone, quite unprecedented really them booting him as well. And I thought the effectively green jersey ending 80 point fine was harsh!
 
Cav took Kittel out much more blatantly and dangerously on stage 10 in 2013 so doesn't really get any sympathy from me regardless of whether or not he was elbowed.

I do like Cav but just think what goes around comes around.
 
Indeed.
Cav was going down regardless and the 'Elbow' didn't make contact.

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Lot of attention being given to the "elbow", think some people are missing the fact that Sagan started in the middle of the road and ended up right near the barrier - which he should have been aware of. There was room for Demare to get through, there should also have been room for Cav to get through. I don't think it was really intentional on Sagan's part, but it was certainly reckless.

As for the judgement, we're all just amateurs really so it's difficult to say. All of the camera angles we've seen tell very different stories, and I assume the commisaires have even more. As i see it there are a few reasons for disqualification. 1) To keep other riders safe, 2) to highlight the severity of the situation and make sure everyone's aware of how serious deviating in a sprint can be, 3) to manage certain riders egos and make sure they understand they're not above the law, and 4) to allow for a sprint and points competition in the race that's more in line with what the french organisers wanted anyway. Some naturally more justified than others, but it's an understandable decision.
 
Lot of attention being given to the "elbow", think some people are missing the fact that Sagan started in the middle of the road and ended up right near the barrier - which he should have been aware of. There was room for Demare to get through, there should also have been room for Cav to get through. I don't think it was really intentional on Sagan's part, but it was certainly reckless.

As for the judgement, we're all just amateurs really so it's difficult to say. All of the camera angles we've seen tell very different stories, and I assume the commisaires have even more. As i see it there are a few reasons for disqualification. 1) To keep other riders safe, 2) to highlight the severity of the situation and make sure everyone's aware of how serious deviating in a sprint can be, 3) to manage certain riders egos and make sure they understand they're not above the law, and 4) to allow for a sprint and points competition in the race that's more in line with what the french organisers wanted anyway. Some naturally more justified than others, but it's an understandable decision.

I can understand your point although if the safety issue was reason enough to DQ Sagan then I think Demare's finish warrants a look at as he almost took out Bouhani and cut up another 2 guys which covers your points 1 and 2. Over looking Demare's irregular sprinting certainly covers your point 4 ;)
 
I don't think Sagan should have been DQ, they were thinking too much about consequences rather than the event.

I think this tour will feel boring now without both of them in the context of sprints. Since Sagan is the only man to go out in breaks to get points which is why hes won so much. And then missing Cav on the Champs....thats his stage, we've all seen the footage when both Marks came over the line 1st and 2nd.
 
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