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Swifty @ 33-1 for MSR - that seems crazy for a double poduimer
Pro Cycling Discussion 2017
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Yates brothers both entering the Giro D'Italia and due to miss this years Tour. Hoping Adam can bag a podium.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39051871
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/39051871
Chaves to the tour though!
I think the Yates will be more ones to watch for the Vuelta rather than the Giro but hope to be proven wrong on that one.
But considering last two years there has been NO British riders at the Giro this is very welcome as G Thomas will be a superb shout for GC contention also (until the 3rd week.... where it will fall to bits for him. Another prediction I hope to be proven wrong on!)
Chaves to the tour though!
I think the Yates will be more ones to watch for the Vuelta rather than the Giro but hope to be proven wrong on that one.
But considering last two years there has been NO British riders at the Giro this is very welcome as G Thomas will be a superb shout for GC contention also (until the 3rd week.... where it will fall to bits for him. Another prediction I hope to be proven wrong on!)
Chaves doesn't have enough strength overall I don't think to get close to challenging whilst Quintana/Froome still about.
Hope so, Simon performed well there in past, and obviously recently riders who've gone well at Giro have finished well at Vuelta after a good rest. (Barring last year)
Yep, hopefully it will give us something to watch/cheer on rather than my usual pick the underdog
Have to agree, Chaves without either of the Yates to support him/take over is a bit of a hindsight as I think he'll struggle to be an outright leader and real GC contender. Equally I want to see him nail a few stages, but don't think he quite has it (yet) for a GC tour win. Although he's young, so I'm convinced he has the pedigree for it to come sometime!
They could've put 1 of the twins in the Giro as leader, the other in the Vuelta as leader and Chaves in the tour. Then the others acting as leutenants for those they're not leading, so they could support each other. Not many teams have 3 real GC contention climbers, so they should've used that to their strength!
Ref: Underdog. All 3 of them will always be underdogs!
I think being seen as an 'underdog' is how Adam did so well in the tour last year, Chaves seemed to be marked more.
They could've put 1 of the twins in the Giro as leader, the other in the Vuelta as leader and Chaves in the tour. Then the others acting as leutenants for those they're not leading, so they could support each other. Not many teams have 3 real GC contention climbers, so they should've used that to their strength!
Ref: Underdog. All 3 of them will always be underdogs!
I think being seen as an 'underdog' is how Adam did so well in the tour last year, Chaves seemed to be marked more.
Meh. I want to side with Bardet, I really do believe he's the 'next big thing' for French cycling, but he does some damn stupid things sometimes! Equally those damn teeth... They're almost as bad as Dan Martins (but he has an excuse, at least he's British!). He's one of the 'new breed' to watch in future.
EDIT: Recalled reading something weird about him, wikipedia 'Bardet is rare among professional cyclists in that he is fat-adapted rather than carb loading.'
Think I know what that means, basically his body uses fats not carbs when racing? But I fail to see how that is a benefit when being almost a pure climber? Isn't it much harder to eat 'fats' and have them absorbed and usable by the body, during exercise, than carbs?
EDIT: Recalled reading something weird about him, wikipedia 'Bardet is rare among professional cyclists in that he is fat-adapted rather than carb loading.'
Think I know what that means, basically his body uses fats not carbs when racing? But I fail to see how that is a benefit when being almost a pure climber? Isn't it much harder to eat 'fats' and have them absorbed and usable by the body, during exercise, than carbs?
Big weekend, first of the classics. See whats what and who has the form.
Ewan went close in Abu Dhabi, would have had it if not for a premature celebration... I would imagine after the Aussie summer his form is higher than his rivals is who are just getting going. Shows some promise for the rest of the season though unless he burns out early.
Also, good podcast on Cyclingnews.com They have Cosmo & Dane from the Recon Ride doing their previews for them now. I have been listening to the recon ride for a couple of years. They have better banter and interaction between them and a really deep cycling knowledge which the usual cycling news guys don't do as well. Plus they have funny accents.
Ewan went close in Abu Dhabi, would have had it if not for a premature celebration... I would imagine after the Aussie summer his form is higher than his rivals is who are just getting going. Shows some promise for the rest of the season though unless he burns out early.
Also, good podcast on Cyclingnews.com They have Cosmo & Dane from the Recon Ride doing their previews for them now. I have been listening to the recon ride for a couple of years. They have better banter and interaction between them and a really deep cycling knowledge which the usual cycling news guys don't do as well. Plus they have funny accents.
Being 'fat adapted', whereby your bodies reliance on fat for fuel over carbohydrates at higher intensities or w/kg is significant. It doesn't mean you aren't burning carbs or are 100% running on fat. It means you can fuel less often and timing isn't quite so critical. If you're touring it also means you can carry less and of course hypoglycemia (aka The Bonk) won't happen as quickly and you can save your glycogen stores for longer whereas others might start to fade.
Though there does seem to be the suggestion that peak power & VO2 max suffer slightly as a result. Not only that but following a Ketogenic diet can be a bit of a pain in the arse and isn't very social but if you're dedicated and not particularly fond of carbs generally then it's not too difficult to follow.
Simple sugars are most easily/quickly converted to glycogen but it's only really relevant if that's what you're burning through at a rate of knots and trying to replenish. I don't know the digestive or absorption rates for fats but don't think your assumption is wholly correct.
The last article is quite interesting, well they all are to be honest
https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12986-017-0175-5
Part 1: https://cyclingtips.com/2013/08/high-fat-low-carb-diets-good-for-you-and-your-cycling/
Part 2: https://cyclingtips.com/2013/09/high-fat-low-carb-diets-the-effects-and-how-to-try-one/
http://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performance
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Just looking at the betting with Paddy Power for Omloop NH. Tony Martin is 66/1- a massive £2 E/W placed for a bit of fun
I've not really followed/spotted him outside of the Tour de Oz before, does he pop up in the classics team at all, or just more of a stage/tour rider?
Great info thanks, sounds like providing he's not maxing out VO2 then quite a good adaption for the high mountains. I'm assuming its an adaption rather than genetic? And that's it maybe not as 'rare' as wikipedia suggests?! Just knowing that so many of the pro's are considered genetic 'mutants' already (compared to the general populace), maybe it's one of the adaptions which makes them so!Being 'fat adapted', whereby your bodies reliance on fat for fuel over carbohydrates at higher intensities or w/kg is significant. It doesn't mean you aren't burning carbs or are 100% running on fat. It means you can fuel less often and timing isn't quite so critical. If you're touring it also means you can carry less and of course hypoglycemia (aka The Bonk) won't happen as quickly and you can save your glycogen stores for longer whereas others might start to fade.
Though there does seem to be the suggestion that peak power & VO2 max suffer slightly as a result. Not only that but following a Ketogenic diet can be a bit of a pain in the arse and isn't very social but if you're dedicated and not particularly fond of carbs generally then it's not too difficult to follow.
Simple sugars are most easily/quickly converted to glycogen but it's only really relevant if that's what you're burning through at a rate of knots and trying to replenish. I don't know the digestive or absorption rates for fats but don't think your assumption is wholly correct.
The last article is quite interesting, well they all are to be honest
https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12986-017-0175-5
Part 1: https://cyclingtips.com/2013/08/high-fat-low-carb-diets-good-for-you-and-your-cycling/
Part 2: https://cyclingtips.com/2013/09/high-fat-low-carb-diets-the-effects-and-how-to-try-one/
http://eatingacademy.com/how-a-low-carb-diet-affected-my-athletic-performance
Great info, love reading about that side of things. One of the few annoying things about now cycling home for lunch, is getting no 'lunchtime reading' done!
SPOILER ALERT!
Not watched it yet, anyone with ES handy see how long its on the app for?
Great info thanks, sounds like providing he's not maxing out VO2 then quite a good adaption for the high mountains. I'm assuming its an adaption rather than genetic? And that's it maybe not as 'rare' as wikipedia suggests?! Just knowing that so many of the pro's are considered genetic 'mutants' already (compared to the general populace), maybe it's one of the adaptions which makes them so!
Altitude won't have any affect on fat adaptation nor would it be a benefit. It's about the fuel source reliance of your body at any given intensity or w/kg. VO2 max and lung capacity are different kettles of fish and not correlated at all. You can have a huge lung capacity and a poor VO2 max (the rate at which you can actually utilise oxygen drawn in). Just because you can draw in more doesn't mean it's being used efficiently.
As those articles show, when you read them, there is some genetic predisposition toward fat/carb bias at given intensities but diet can influence it quite heavily.
Being fat adapted to an extent is an advantage as I mentioned above, especially on stages where there are successive very hard or very long efforts as it leaves you less susceptible to miss-fueling, coming under attack and having to deal/perform whilst ingesting large quantities of fuel on the bike. But it doesn't make it any easier, nor pro's any less inherently impressive.
I don't think hes doing the Tour yet as he is still very young, hes had a stab at Giro/Vuelta picking up a stage in the Vuelta two years ago beating JD from memory.
No big classics either I wouldn't expect for another few years, did KBK last year and finished which is something, it is supposed to be a sprinters day.
Talking of KBK I had bet on a sprint finish on Sunday for sure. Not sure what BMC and to a lesser extent Katusha were playing at.... had big expectations for Kristoff whose had a reasonably good spring up to now.
BMC missed it and proceeded to kill themselves trying to catch to no avail. It is the teams with nobody up the road who are a disgrace as they did not aid or help BMC on the front.... Katusha is the prime example and Bahrain. Didn't really add to the interest of the race when they aren't even competing!