Out of the box it really does do an awful lot, and there is an amazingly deep API with which to customise it if it doesn't do what you want out of the box. It does a great job of rivalling much more expensive, specialised products.
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Out of the box it really does do an awful lot, and there is an amazingly deep API with which to customise it if it doesn't do what you want out of the box. It does a great job of rivalling much more expensive, specialised products.
Make friends with a GANT chart
Despite the obvious 'us & them' attitude you're displaying, creating an amicable relationship will greatly increase overall efficiency and allow things to run a lot smoother in general.
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not to be confused with the small irritating flying insect... (some ammo for the PM bashers)
OP sounds like a spanner and the typical sort of developer people hate working with.
you are the reason why people have jobs in technical areas to speak to the business, because you arent able to talk to anyone you feel is below you.
Nevermind, you will get over yourself one day :]
you are the reason why people have jobs in technical areas to speak to the business, because you arent able to talk to anyone you feel is below you.
Nevermind, you will get over yourself one day :]
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You really have no clue what he is on about otherwise you would have more of a grasp on what he is talking about and not reffer to him as "a spanner". I suggest you be silent as ironic as it is, it is you that cant talk to someone that you feel is below you with a narrow minded attitude like that.
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A few more PM issues from recently
so looks like I'm doing the work on the 31st too.PM Issue 1 said:
PM issue 2 said:
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lol manlove - your pm sucks ***, I mean he should get the sack for doing things like that lol! talking about company value for money. You should record those convos and report them to their managers manager because their manager wont do jack and only when their manager is doing their job for them will they lift a finger
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I dunno I would have to argee with Morba, from posts the OPs has made in this thread his attitude stinks and I would hate to have someone like that being responsible for deliverables to a project I was managing or having to work along side them delivering to someone else.
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as he's stated, he's ranting. As I have stated, you have no clue as to the competancy of his work. This is just a forum at the end of the day and we all just come here to rant/rave/chill not be judged (although a lot will come here to do just that) I have experienced his anger and although I havent posted it here (to my knowledge) my brother knows all to well of what I think of my old project manager. We cant really judge his comments because we dont know what his project manager is like.
But we can comment on our own experiences.
You 'guessed' 3 days without even looking at looking at the full array of tasks.
All the PM wanted was clarification after you have looked at all the tasked and made a more precise estimation, as 3 days could have been way off the mark.
I've worked with a few PM's and managed a small project myself and having low visibility on a project because of inaccuracies like that makes it a lot more difficult for a PM and all the supporting teams involved, and a lot of apologising/un-necessary communication ensues.
All the PM wanted was clarification after you have looked at all the tasked and made a more precise estimation, as 3 days could have been way off the mark.
I've worked with a few PM's and managed a small project myself and having low visibility on a project because of inaccuracies like that makes it a lot more difficult for a PM and all the supporting teams involved, and a lot of apologising/un-necessary communication ensues.
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Yep that's why I stated 'from posts the OPs has made in this thread', my comments/opinions at this point can only be based on the info provided so far.
Hopefully for the OP he doesn't talk/deal with his peers/colleagues at work in the same manner he has posted in this thread.
I'm a developer and totally disagree with the OP. If it wasn't for (Project) managers then development would undoubtedly be completed 'tomorrow'.
Part of your role should include the ability to provide estimates for development work, depending on the company/position this may mean you get to gather technical requirements yourself to provide as best an estimate as possible.
If you're really worried think of a number and double it. I was told this early on and it rarely fails that you'll come out looking good
. Although, seriously, all they're looking for is estimates yo produce a project plan to feed back to their Programme Managers, to feedback to the head of the area, to feedback to the Exec, to feed back to the board. There's more to the company than your little bubble unfortunately .
Man up, get the estimates and at any point you feel like you're going to miss your estimate/deadline then escalate, nobody is out to get you.
Part of your role should include the ability to provide estimates for development work, depending on the company/position this may mean you get to gather technical requirements yourself to provide as best an estimate as possible.
If you're really worried think of a number and double it. I was told this early on and it rarely fails that you'll come out looking good
. Although, seriously, all they're looking for is estimates yo produce a project plan to feed back to their Programme Managers, to feedback to the head of the area, to feedback to the Exec, to feed back to the board. There's more to the company than your little bubble unfortunately .Man up, get the estimates and at any point you feel like you're going to miss your estimate/deadline then escalate, nobody is out to get you.
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I don't work in IT, but in my office there are many clients/issues more junior staff could be working on at any point in time. So in busy periods giving someone a vague answers like 'a few days', or 'a week or so' wouldn't be acceptable. Our managers generally need a target date to put in the diary to arrange for work to be reviewed or to arrange for other staff to complete work if you need to disappear elsewhere.
It's understood that unexpected issues crop up and until you've spent a little while on something, you won't know how much of a problem it'll be to complete. Provided they're regularly kept updated with progress and 'best estimates' of when things will be done, nobody gets too upset about deadline slippage. Even though everyone knows the deadline is likely to get shifted, they'd rather have an identifiable target to work towards; it makes planning other stuff much easier.
It's understood that unexpected issues crop up and until you've spent a little while on something, you won't know how much of a problem it'll be to complete. Provided they're regularly kept updated with progress and 'best estimates' of when things will be done, nobody gets too upset about deadline slippage. Even though everyone knows the deadline is likely to get shifted, they'd rather have an identifiable target to work towards; it makes planning other stuff much easier.
I can comment on what has been posted, and as you can see i have posted what i think.
nothing that the OP has said in this whole thread, or what you have said, has changed that.
and fortunately, i do have a clue about developers and PM's and projects of all sizes and lengths.