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*** Project Scarlett - Holiday 2020 ***

Discussion in 'Console Games & Hardware' started by ic1male, Jun 9, 2019.

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  1. House

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    Looking at the RTings page while the C7 is a native 120hz panel it only supports 4k at upto 60hz and 4:4:4, it doesnt support 120hz 4k, (it is however a very good TV for the money and one of the ones i considered but I was worried about OLED burn in have you had any issues with that?)
    Its very rare in current TVs to have support for 4k120hz and even VRR is pretty rare.

    Now by the time Scarlet is out then it maybe more common but its still early adopter and enthusiasts only. However 4k60hz TV should be as you say the standard.
     
  2. rare

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    2.1 HDMI TV’s will be in full swing by the time the next generation comes out, but they will make up a tiny percentage of the overall customer base.

    Still, features such as VRR on consoles will be a fantastic step.
     
  3. SDK^

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    I'm with you on that - I stopped caring about console hardware shortly after the N64 came out.

    For me now it's more about the games, the experience and ease of use.
     
  4. FrankJH

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    Well depending on how you look at it.

    SSD storage is way more expensive than RAM (in general - admittedly with GDDR6 this could be reversed)

    2TB SSD's are pretty pricey - retail you are talking £150-200 each, so internal to MS even in bulk it will be way north of £100, even if they don't need to have them delivered until this time next year its still going to be pretty pricey

    1TB will surely be too small (with the OS partition, VRAM partition and game partition, it surely has to be over 1TB?)


    I wouldn't be surprised if AMD has done something slightly different for both consoles - so there is different "secret sauce" in both devices that was pre-agreed.

    Probably one of those things where there will be chipset support from day 1 but HDMI sockets will only be 2.0 until its required - why have a headache they don't need for 90% of users if its not required, even if it will be in 2-3 years time.
     
  5. McManicMan

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    I'M in for launch day, but i will be on PS5 also. Already signed over to the Game Pass Ultimate
     
  6. FrankJH

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    don't think Sony can afford to give MS any lea way on release date this gen - think they will need to be "holiday 2020" as well (if not before)
     
  7. Noxia

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    Oh ok. I'm not expecting a huge leap over high/ultra setting at 1440p I'm able to get on most games but tbh I prefer console gaming overall so I hope ps5 can deliver 60fps on all it's games.
     
  8. Shawreyboy

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    That's correct - think the 120hz support is 1080p only iirc as its only HDMI 2.0 chip on the c7.

    I am more than happy with 4K 60fps at 4:4:4 though.

    I can safely say the c7 is the best TV I've ever bought and can't for the life of me see how or why Samsung can justify selling QLED/FALD at £3,000 when the c7 cost me £1800 2 years ago and is by far and above the superior tech. I have had zero issues with image retention. Had the briefing streaming on Twitch on last night for the entirety and the #XboxE3 symbol left no shadow when changing back to live TV. I do, do a manual pixel refresh every week from inside the settings however, I understand the TV does it itself as and when it thinks it needs to. Pixel Shift is always left on.

    2019 LG OLED's support 4K120hz through HDMI2.1 but the screens themselves fundamentally remain the same so the only difference is simply the HDMI chip for the c7 vs what is out today.

    Shawrey
     
  9. FrankJH

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    I have the B8 which was a bit more expensive but would concur, they are very good sets - but just because in certain circumstances / usages OLED is the better technology doesn't mean LCD doesn't have its good points too. Don't get me wrong Samsung's prices are out there for sure but new tech is always way more expensive for the first few years (and I know LCD has been around for decades but there is obviously something fundamentally different about this type of LCD)
     
  10. Shawreyboy

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    It's the FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) which is why it is more expensive. FALD screens are different from the standard Edge lit sets that are plagued with backlight bleed. Quick link explaining it all -> https://dgit.com/oled-vs-lcd-vs-fald-51999/

    All in all OLED is the superior tech and when it costs less than QLED/FALD you'd be mad to buy Samsung at the prices for inferior tech.

    Shawrey
     
  11. Arthur Hucksake

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    But Sony are the ones putting out decent exclusives. Far more than MS have this generation. They have some catching up to do.
     
  12. mid_gen

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    Same architecture, it'll run everything the XB1 runs. Still needs an abstraction layer to run 360 and OG Xbox games though, no way round that.
     
  13. CHokKA

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    I'm sure that recently someone actually went through their recent exclusives, and most of them are obscure JRPGs that most people aren't interested in playing. When was the last true AAA exclusive for either studio that's been absolutely amazing and exceeded expectations? I don't think that there have been many recently. Forza Horizon 4 for the Xbox? Spider-Man on the PS4, but that was quite marmite for many. Days Gone, again, not the greatest of reviews for that one. I don't follow PS4 games though, so I can't really say. For me, the other parts outweigh the exclusives as I also have a PC, as well as backwards compatibility on my older 360 games, and now Game Pass too.
     
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  14. banbom44

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    you won't get 4k60 even the 2080ti can't hit 60 on some games so a console is not going to do it you will probably get a solid 30fps and no upscaling.
     
  15. ic1male

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    PC ports are generally janky offloads done by small studios though. I've got faith.
     
  16. Broken Hope

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    You think Sony have more than doubled XB1 sales through obscure JRPGs that nobody is interested in playing? The Multiplatform games are mostly the same, so of course Sony is doing miles better due to exclusives.
     
  17. ninezerofive

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    None of them really look like they know what they are doing or know what the gamers want. Looks like bunch of MBA graduates that gonna try to force feed their "innovation".

    I might be wrong, but the vibe is there.
     
  18. ic1male

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    It's the same folks who did the Xbox One X and that's a lovely bit of kit by all accounts.
     
  19. oldestgregg

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    Yeah, I could not agree more. The XB1X, whatever you think of Microsoft or Xbox in general, is an amazing bit of hardware.
     
  20. mmj_uk

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    PC doesn't have the same architecture it's still based on 1990's architecture really just with wider buses these days. Console games are also a lot better optimised.

    I've said it before in the PS5 thread but having a Ryzen class CPU will be a huge boost to console performance next generation, the current CPU's are basically like Athlon 64 X2 but with 8 cores it's no wonder 30fps is so prevalent.