Project Whurple - White/Purple Watercooled Build - Changes to 3d printer build!!
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Ahh well that explains it, I don't need any of that stuff but the ender 3 mount will come in handy as I think i'm going to run an ender 3 ish x axis. I will be running it on the skr 1.4 turbo i think and that seems a pretty simple install and firmware update.
Also late in the day but another thing also turned up:
The bed is the ender 3 point upgrade bed and to the left is the Prusa MK3 3 point bed, I have been massively tossing up if I should go m8 rods and the Prusa bed or extrusion and the ender bed, problem is how small is that carriage plate on the ender bed, its 190x190 whereas the Prusa plate is 220x220. My aim on minimum build size is 220x220 and the machine is capable of around 320x500 which would mean I would need some sort of corner adapters on the ender plate to make it bigger. I'm not really sure what I am going to do yet but having them both here to measure and play with against my design makes the decision of what to do a lot easier so I think more playing and a bit of measuring I will come up with something. I was thinking of perhaps drilling some ender shaped holes in the purusa bed and be done, or drilling no holes and designing a simple bracket to sit on top of the ender one. I dunno so many ways to make this work but not many ways to make it work while keeping the bed leveling nice and simple. It's also an all glass top plate I have so leveling will be from the bottom.
There is also some progress, Z axis motors are now mounted and ive rested the rods so you get an idea:
Lots of electrical cable has turned up, purple and blue stuff stuff to replace some of the cheap arse wiring that comes on some of these parts.
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@LePhuronn got any use for the ender 3 crap that comes with that bltouch? usb bootloader and whatnot? If you want it you can have it foc.
He was out playing all day so came in and passed out on the chair next to my desk. It's basically his chair to be fair. Have done a load tonight including printing out some parts of the Z axis, in fact one part is on the printer now, all the runners are done and the printer is doing its thing but is a 3 hour print so wont be able to see what it's like until the morning. It might be decent, might be a bit rubbish as I just quickly threw it together in cad as a test part motor mount z mount type thing. Ill share some pics as I go.
We arent messing about in here, we are building things.
I think I forgot to mention that I actually got the gt2560 board working and playing with LCD's. I was so underwhelmed by I all I didn't even post. I also changed the current printer over to DRV8852 1/32 stepping drivers on the X and Y axis which is good and has made the thing a little quieter. Had to tune them down as they were delivered at 1.6v and im running them at about 0.6.
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Looking good buddy. Staring at the ton of unfinished mod work of my own so nice to see something productive happening, even if it is somebody else's work
Firmware upgrade might be on the cards when I start tinkering with my Ender, so a bootloader would be pretty handy. Most generous of you sir, I'll trust you some deets.
Awesome swing them my way and ill pop those bits in the post tomorrow.
Looking good buddy. Staring at the ton of unfinished mod work of my own so nice to see something productive happening, even if it is somebody else's work
Firmware upgrade might be on the cards when I start tinkering with my Ender, so a bootloader would be pretty handy. Most generous of you sir, I'll trust you some deets.
any other toys you need while im sending? I have massive surplus of everything 3d print!?
Todays random update as a couple of things have moved along. I redesigned the x axis caliper as I am now calling it, there wasn't enough clearance before to design a part that would work with the threaded T8 bars so I needed to bring the bar inwards slightly but then realised I have a couple of very nice mounting points available to me by doing it this new way so I think this will be my final design for this part. Once I finished I cut a load of angles and cut away as much of model as I could to reduce the print time and plastic usage while still having a strong part, the motor actually works as a brace as well giving extra rigidity with the motor in place.
The print itself is a bit meh but it does the job perfectly:
Then I started working on the top mounts for the T8 bar, using the longest bolt available to me I have measured with a set of calipers and set it's position at the top which you can see is quite some distance from the rest of the machine, obviously you can't leave it like this but to get measurements you need to mock things up:
With the measurements I have designed a end cap with a captive nut that should work at the top. Right now the spacer is just a block with the right dimensions to marry up with the parts I have for the top but like the x carriage I will print it, put it in place, get some measurements and then work on a new design that fits perfectly. I was considering actually making it part of that end cap which is why it is in the same build area below while I am modelling:
And how it looks right now:
I have started working on the next part which is the part that will raise the 2020 extrusion up on the T8 threaded bar. again no need for anything complicated so I have been mocking up a part that will work in cad. I think pretty much everything will have at least one revision as getting everything just right can often mean making small changes to the model, for example I know for my printer on an m8 bar that I should set the size of the hole to 8.2mm rather than 8mm if I want that purfectly snug fit. What I am really saying is I just don't have the foresight to see the potential pitfalls before getting something printing.
Also minor issue, I am running out of the blue pla. I have carbon fibre, red or grey available after that and don't know what to go with.
The print itself is a bit meh but it does the job perfectly:
Then I started working on the top mounts for the T8 bar, using the longest bolt available to me I have measured with a set of calipers and set it's position at the top which you can see is quite some distance from the rest of the machine, obviously you can't leave it like this but to get measurements you need to mock things up:
With the measurements I have designed a end cap with a captive nut that should work at the top. Right now the spacer is just a block with the right dimensions to marry up with the parts I have for the top but like the x carriage I will print it, put it in place, get some measurements and then work on a new design that fits perfectly. I was considering actually making it part of that end cap which is why it is in the same build area below while I am modelling:
And how it looks right now:
I have started working on the next part which is the part that will raise the 2020 extrusion up on the T8 threaded bar. again no need for anything complicated so I have been mocking up a part that will work in cad. I think pretty much everything will have at least one revision as getting everything just right can often mean making small changes to the model, for example I know for my printer on an m8 bar that I should set the size of the hole to 8.2mm rather than 8mm if I want that purfectly snug fit. What I am really saying is I just don't have the foresight to see the potential pitfalls before getting something printing.
Also minor issue, I am running out of the blue pla. I have carbon fibre, red or grey available after that and don't know what to go with.
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@LePhuronn - Sent that bootloader and ender specific boards over to you this morning 
I do also have quite a few updates for this but getting around to posting it is taking time. I will keep updating as I move along
Stripping the old printer down when I finish work today for a load of updates including new Z axis bars (different pitch) all new bars for the bed, new bed, new top z mounts, new couplings for z, all new belts, basically just going over it and putting some of the spares I will not be using on my new printer on this little one.
It's been solidly printing for 2 days now and certain bits are looking to fail again so it's preventative maintenance.
Todays visor efforts as well as a mask im half way through printing, besides that I thought I would give a quick view of the how it's sitting right now:
Had to change over to the red for now as I think I have about 10 meters max left of the blue.
I do also have quite a few updates for this but getting around to posting it is taking time. I will keep updating as I move along
Stripping the old printer down when I finish work today for a load of updates including new Z axis bars (different pitch) all new bars for the bed, new bed, new top z mounts, new couplings for z, all new belts, basically just going over it and putting some of the spares I will not be using on my new printer on this little one.
It's been solidly printing for 2 days now and certain bits are looking to fail again so it's preventative maintenance.
Todays visor efforts as well as a mask im half way through printing, besides that I thought I would give a quick view of the how it's sitting right now:
Had to change over to the red for now as I think I have about 10 meters max left of the blue.
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Dude! For some reason I've missed all these updates and never got back to youmany thanks for sending over some stuff, very much looking forward to a surprise goody bag (new toys should stop me impulse buying things I don't need elsewhere
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Construction is coming along beautifully, looking forward to how she prints!
All good buddy! Hopefully some of it is useful
I might have stunted my own progress somewhat by pulling the printer apart again before it did it for me , after a 24 hour printing stint on visors it decided to pull a belt off of a pully and fail half way through a print so I decided to use some of the parts i'm not using on the new printer on the current one. I ended up replacing all of the rods for the bed from hollow to solid ones as the cheap hollow ones are bowed, changed the bed, changed the uprights from M8 to T8 and added some flexible couplings, changed the top mounts to some with some bearings I printed before, basically gave it a full overhaul but haven't flashed it's firmware yet to deal with the changes. Hopefully I can do that tomorrow.Weirdly the changes make it 2cm smaller in depth but add a couple of cm to the total movement back and forward because of where the bed is mounted. Also replacing all the wooden bed it had with an alloy one that is actually flat seems a solid upgrade.
I'll finish it before long. It is really close, perhaps a couple of hours in cad and I recon I will be done, or at least done enough to print something with it once just a few more bits turn up. I have a couple of bits to work out still like what the footrpint will look like when it is done, how some things like the power supply and y rail will be mounted, should I make some funky enclosure out of ally or something or shall I print an enclosure for the board and aux boards im using. Im sure there will be plenty of messing about with it once it prints.
Little update on the X carriage @LePhuronn, I am sure you will recognise the carrier, now with BL-Touch and Titan Aero clone installed:
Might have to change the design of the bracket slightly to deal with the proximity of the pla to the hot end but so far so good. Should make for a decent direct drive setup.
Might have to change the design of the bracket slightly to deal with the proximity of the pla to the hot end but so far so good. Should make for a decent direct drive setup.
I can sort you out a much better quality wheel nut etc. Have a load spare! And annoyingly another 10 wheels on the way. If you show me what parts you need ill send you over one of these bad boys and the fixings etc fwiw all of the cheap black wheels will be being replaced with these Xtreme Poly wheels:
It'll be direct replacements for the X carriage wheels at the very least. I think I can reuse the existing eccentric nut and mounts. Crack on with your own build and I'll get back to you when I have the time to properly check out mine
Oh, and that bootloader is so very pink!
Well once you have checked it out let me know, as I say I have more spares than I know what to do with at this point and would be more than happy to clear the space. As for the bootloader, I thought exactly that
I had also never seen a usb drive directly wired to a ribbon cable before which was interesting.Which computer buddy? My one or the wifes one I built earlier in the thread? Sure I can do a couple of little walk around shots
I shall jump onto it a bit later today
Always happy to share a few shots of the machines! My machine was never built specifically as a gaming rig, more a open budget powerhouse do it all rig focusing on things like ESXI/Virtualisation, rendering, gaming, heavy server loads, opencl, etc etc it needs to be able to do it all. The wifes as you already know if you saw it earlier in the thread is quite the opposite, a budget build (£400) with a view to building the very best looking and performing machine I could for that money, when I consider that her entire machine cost less than half of the cost of my processor just a few years ago it's incredible to see what you can do for cheap these days. I'll follow up with some pics a bit later this evening of both of our rigs. @DJai I will get around to a nice selection of pics of the two setups. I promise, ive just been a bit knee deep into work, and while not at work ive been trying to get this 3d printer finished but like most things in life im hitting issues. Hopefully over the next day or two I will get a ton of pics of the machines.
For now though we are just going to have to listen to me chat rubbish about 3d printers for a bit and hopefully get some friendly help and advice from whoever comes across the thread. I know people out there are reading so I will carry on until the bitter end. Anyway time to talk 3d printer, some bits are here so I thought I would share the pics as well as some of the issues I have encountered and my plans going forward. First up the board and drivers which is now all set up and loaded with firmware, I have also configured the firmware on my BTT tft24 and tested touch screen stuff but to be fair have decided on the bigger 35 which should hopefully be here soon so won't bother showing you the 24 config. I thought I had the 2209 but I do in fact have the BTT 2208 driver for now:
Lets talk about the bed a little bit because the bed is something that I keep ploughing money into and as yet haven't really found everything that I wanted so I have a load of random bits, none of which really fit together, with this random idea of how it might work in my head. Let me tell you this, you should probably go into this with a bit more of a plan than I have as it will be much more cost effective. If you do what I am doing you will learn a ton and quickly but will probably spend a load more than buying say something like an ender 3. Anyway I have kind of settled on a bed that I am happy with, well sort of at least, let me show you first with a couple of pics and then ill talk about it after:
I think you can see to get the size build plate I was looking for I appear to have bought an ender (dunno what one) bed as well as an uprated 3 point thing, now my initial plan was to use this:
Which is a 150w 12v gel heat pad and is 220x220 while the holes in the ender bed are 190x190 so that's kind of now out of the question now, that then leaves me in a bit sticky situation as everything for my build including the power supply is 12v and this is the 4th 12v heat pad I have bought with the 24v ender one being the 5th, you see the problem though I either need to go 24v on the bed or have a rethink if I want the kind of quality bed that I do. Anyway I am waffling, I sat down and had a little think about it and I am going to carry on using my 12v 40a supply and work something out. I think I kind of have the solution but who knows, either way I spent some more money and added another component inline with the bed mosfet, I think this is just basically a big buck converter and should I think do the trick:
For the price of it I am 100% ripping it apart to see what is inside before I let this loose in my house as it's cheap.
For now though we are just going to have to listen to me chat rubbish about 3d printers for a bit and hopefully get some friendly help and advice from whoever comes across the thread. I know people out there are reading so I will carry on until the bitter end. Anyway time to talk 3d printer, some bits are here so I thought I would share the pics as well as some of the issues I have encountered and my plans going forward. First up the board and drivers which is now all set up and loaded with firmware, I have also configured the firmware on my BTT tft24 and tested touch screen stuff but to be fair have decided on the bigger 35 which should hopefully be here soon so won't bother showing you the 24 config. I thought I had the 2209 but I do in fact have the BTT 2208 driver for now:
Lets talk about the bed a little bit because the bed is something that I keep ploughing money into and as yet haven't really found everything that I wanted so I have a load of random bits, none of which really fit together, with this random idea of how it might work in my head. Let me tell you this, you should probably go into this with a bit more of a plan than I have as it will be much more cost effective. If you do what I am doing you will learn a ton and quickly but will probably spend a load more than buying say something like an ender 3. Anyway I have kind of settled on a bed that I am happy with, well sort of at least, let me show you first with a couple of pics and then ill talk about it after:
I think you can see to get the size build plate I was looking for I appear to have bought an ender (dunno what one) bed as well as an uprated 3 point thing, now my initial plan was to use this:
Which is a 150w 12v gel heat pad and is 220x220 while the holes in the ender bed are 190x190 so that's kind of now out of the question now, that then leaves me in a bit sticky situation as everything for my build including the power supply is 12v and this is the 4th 12v heat pad I have bought with the 24v ender one being the 5th, you see the problem though I either need to go 24v on the bed or have a rethink if I want the kind of quality bed that I do. Anyway I am waffling, I sat down and had a little think about it and I am going to carry on using my 12v 40a supply and work something out. I think I kind of have the solution but who knows, either way I spent some more money and added another component inline with the bed mosfet, I think this is just basically a big buck converter and should I think do the trick:
For the price of it I am 100% ripping it apart to see what is inside before I let this loose in my house as it's cheap.
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Haven't posted any updates as haven't really done anything else, I would love to say it's because ive been sitting back and relaxing but that couldn't be further from the truth, I have done a few little bits here and there but I promise there will be some movement in lots of things over the next week or so... In the meantime ever wondered what nearly 100 of these Ryzen 3400ge, 16gb ram, 65w elitedesk minis might look like in a 42 u rack alongside another rack filled with a bunch of epyc servers and masses of disks? stick around and you may well see - Am I mental? very, very possibly. I shall start with these 5 and if it works out like I am thinking it will, then it should be interesting to see. There are still other options I am considering including vdi solutions but time is not on my side so that is looking to be next phase type stuff. So far these might mean I can hit the deadline as well as get rid of some other bigger problems. Who said enterprise isn't buying AMD?
Oh and BTT TFT 35 and a wifi module turned up.
And yes my office is filthy right now because as above, busy! I replaced a ton of stuff in my setup though including one of my routers which sits before my forti as I had an asus ac52u hanging around and wasn't getting the throughput for the wifes work over wifi when she is on the laptop. Gotta say the asus isn't a bad bit of kit the ui though is not nice.
- Am I mental? very, very possibly. I shall start with these 5 and if it works out like I am thinking it will, then it should be interesting to see. There are still other options I am considering including vdi solutions but time is not on my side so that is looking to be next phase type stuff. So far these might mean I can hit the deadline as well as get rid of some other bigger problems. Who said enterprise isn't buying AMD? Oh and BTT TFT 35 and a wifi module turned up.
And yes my office is filthy right now because as above, busy! I replaced a ton of stuff in my setup though including one of my routers which sits before my forti as I had an asus ac52u hanging around and wasn't getting the throughput for the wifes work over wifi when she is on the laptop. Gotta say the asus isn't a bad bit of kit the ui though is not nice.
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Because where they will be space is expensive and what I currently have, intel based hp prodesk 400 g5's are power hungry and large (more rack space) in comparison so moving them into a dc is not really an option, these then are the refresh of the refresh that we only just finished but for now rather than being in an office they will all be located in a massive data center co location.
My rig is also a total mess at the moment and although I have bought the replacement fans I still haven't installed them or sorted out the mess I made in there when pulling it out to stop the hideous noises it was making.