Provisional World Cup Squad

I really wish somebody would explain to me exactly what Owen Hargreaves brings to the England Team?


people say he's flexible.. a jack of all trades...but he's been utter bonk in EVERY game I have ever seen him play for England..he cant shoot, he cant beat a man and he loses possession with alarming regularity

just how does he get his place?
 
I was reading the paper, and it was saying that Sven was saying he didn't pick Ledley King as he got injured at the wrong time, i was like wtf you biased ****, Owen got crocked, and Rooney got crocked with only 6 weeks to go, and hes still been picked, i don't give a stuff if hes a cracking player, fact is hes injured and got no hope, should'nt be going fact, i don't give a balls if he says he can use him for the later stages, its still no good, hes not gona be fit at all, can't do any training nowt, so hes gona be useless anyway, whats he gona do run about the pitch with his big plastic boot on, **** me he'll get a blasted hat-trick.

Truth is Sven doesn't give a stuff if we win it or not now, as after the WC hes off, so what does he care, thats why he picked 2x crocked forwards who are gona be useless as they are gona be totally unfit, and aint trained etc... :mad:
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
I was reading the paper, and it was saying that Sven was saying he didn't pick Ledley King as he got injured at the wrong time, i was like wtf you biased ****, Owen got crocked, and Rooney got crocked with only 6 weeks to go, and hes still been picked, i don't give a stuff if hes a cracking player, fact is hes injured and got no hope, should'nt be going fact, i don't give a balls if he says he can use him for the later stages, its still no good, hes not gona be fit at all, can't do any training nowt, so hes gona be useless anyway, whats he gona do run about the pitch with his big plastic boot on, **** me he'll get a blasted hat-trick.

Truth is Sven doesn't give a stuff if we win it or not now, as after the WC hes off, so what does he care, thats why he picked 2x crocked forwards who are gona be useless as they are gona be totally unfit, and aint trained etc... :mad:
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Sorry but that simply isn't true, any football manager would give their right arm to win the world cup. And the fact he's going after the world cup makes no difference, in fact I would be more determined to win just to prove my critics wrong.

Sven’s been put in a difficult situation with Owen and Rooney because there are no proven substitutes. King on the other hand is competing again other midfielders where England arguably has the most depth of talent. He would be missed but not that much, and I'd rather take a fully fit, in form Carrick than a half fit King.

I'm a bit miffed about the omission of SWP, but apart from that the squad looks good and I'm right behind Sven and the team.

Bring on Brazil.
 
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Lots of people on here don't seem to realise that injured players can be replaced up to 24 hours before the first game, so picking Rooney and Owen at this stage isn't a risk at all. It's only a risk if they are still in the squad come the Paraguay game, but not yet fit.
 
Yeah but we all know Sven he won't pick anyone else, he doesn't want to, when Rooney got injured he should have just bit the bullet, and said right thats it hes out, and concentrated on the rest of the squad and the tournament, but all we are hearing is Rooney this, Rooney that, he should just face it he's shagged, as i said it doesn't matter if hes gona be ok for the later stages of the tournamnet, hes still gona be no good at all as he can't train or nowt, he can't just bang him in a match and expect him to perform at the top of his game for 90 minutes can he, or even half an hr, we don't need him to win the WC. :)

I cant see him wanting to replace Rooney 24hrs before a game, hes made his minds up to play him at all costs, otherwise he would'nt have taken him in the first place simple, he could have broken both legs and been in plaster for 10 weeks in a wheelchair and he still would have took him.
 
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Still can't believe Wes Brown isn't going. Sven's a disgrace.

Someone mentioned Campbell was the man with the best chance of losing us the tournament, I think you have to look at Sven and his numpty number 2 (McLaren).
 
Carlos_S said:
I think Walcott was a good selection personally, I think if he gets a run out he will shock the other teams. It's not that good an example but when Jason Robinson played for the British Lions he hadn't even played Rugby Union for his club team (Sale) but he terrified the Austrailian defence as they had done no homework on him and had no prior experience of him.

P.S- Everyone stop complaining and support the squad we've got. :p
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Not a good analogy. Jason had been playing at the top of his game in Rugby League and prior to joining Sale as fulltime RU player had played part of the Wigan off seasons with Bath. He had all he need plus experience to play at that level.
A closer analogy would be what Andy Robinson did to Mathew Tait at the start of the 2005 Six Nations, throwing the young 18 year old in at the deep end was disastrous and it's only now we are seeing him recover enough to demonstrate is undeniable talent.

Walcott is an enigma, and unless we see him play some of the warm up games I think we have to keep the jury out on him.

Interestingly the 2 Brazilian Consultants we have with us for a couple of months are really excited by the squad. They describe it as the first time they have seen an England side that are going to go out and get the World Cup rather than wait for it to come to them. A supurb description from people who have a different view of the football world if you ask me ;)

P.S. Although they can't understand why Cambell is anywhere near the team, they say he's not the write kind of loco :D
 
I remember Theo played for Southampton, wondered why id forgotten about him, its because hes never had a game since he joined the gunners, dear, oh dear Sven what are you doing, some of the ones he's left out are ridiculous, whats Walcot gona do, bugger all as he's never had a game yet, Svens a total loon, hes lost it big style.
 
Fair enough take Walcott, but not at the expense of proven strikers like Defoe and Bent. If anything, I would have left Hargreaves out and taken 5 strikers. Bent isn't even on the backup list... what a kick in the teeth when Andy Johnson gets in ahead of him who has been mediocre in the Championship this season.
 
well i was hoping that we had a chance even without rooney if Sven picked a decent team, but now i feel we have as much chance as a small rodent would have.

Brilliant Sven, you have just confirmed that you are a complete moron, i don't care if Mclaren is perhaps not the best but he can't be as much of a tool as Sven it's simply not possible.

What sort of ******* message is he sending out the english players ? I don't care if you are the TOP SCORING ENGLISH STRIKER in the prem i'll still pick someone who couldn't even rape defences in the chapionship in half a season, I'll put it into perspective, when we were in division 1 playing at that level we were the worst team in the league, yet our top striker Ade Akinbyi (who was nothing like good eough for the prem) managed 15 before Christmas, Walcott with all his pace which should mkae far more difference in the championship managed 5, obviously clearly a player for the world cup.

He's basically said that if you play for a lower prem side you will be stuck behind players who haven't even played just because they are at a bigger club. As it stands Bent is the best goalscorer we have, the goalscoring tables show that, he has scored more than Rooney, and Owen, but somehow isn't good enough to go to the world cup :confused: :mad:

Wes brown not being in the squad is nothing short of disgraceful as well, he may have a head that looks exactly like a baked bean, but he's a ******* good defender, personally from what i have seen i'd play him ahead of ferdinand, as he seems to like beckham have little spells where he forgets that he's playing a game of football and just sort of wonders off, Brown doesn't do this, he seems aware for 90 minutes that he is actually playing football.

So in conclusion, Sven is a bloody moron and the sooner he's gone the better, i defy any manager to be as weak as he is, Wenger has picked walcot not Sven, Beckham has picked beckham (as usual) Hargreeves is in league with satan, as i can se no other possible reason for his inclusion, he's complete ***** for England.

I just can't believe the mans idiocy. It's so bad i'm tempted to let my Welsh blood take over and just not care about england at all.
 
I have £5 on England not to get out of the group stages.
It's not something I want to happen, but it's not an impossibility. :o

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I hope wallcott silences you lot, I really do, just remember owen in the 98 world cup - that goal against argentina, etc.

I think he's useless now, not seen him play well for years.
 
jamesrw said:
I hope wallcott silences you lot, I really do, just remember owen in the 98 world cup - that goal against argentina, etc.

I think he's useless now, not seen him play well for years.
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Ive said this already today

You cannot compare the 2, Owen had played a years premiership football and bagged a fair few goals (played 36 games and scored 18). Walcott hasn't had anything like the season Owen had that year.

I'm not doubting the boy has electric pace and may well set the world alight but there is a nagging feeling saying he won't. I'm not normally a pessimist but hey ho!
 
jamesrw said:
I hope wallcott silences you lot, I really do, just remember owen in the 98 world cup - that goal against argentina, etc.

I think he's useless now, not seen him play well for years.
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That would be the Owen who was already tried and tested in the Liverpool team yes ?

Both Owen and Rooney were playing at the highest level before they broke into the England set up, Walcot is still until he plays for Arsenal a Championship player. You can't pick an untested player in any kind of way when there is a fair cance that he will be one of your only 2 match fit strikers.
 
FTM said:
I really wish somebody would explain to me exactly what Owen Hargreaves brings to the England Team?


people say he's flexible.. a jack of all trades...but he's been utter bonk in EVERY game I have ever seen him play for England..he cant shoot, he cant beat a man and he loses possession with alarming regularity

just how does he get his place?
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Hargreaves is as flexible as a 30 stone bloke!! :D

Him and Campbell are the most stupid inclusion made by Sven.
 
jamesrw said:
I hope wallcott silences you lot, I really do, just remember owen in the 98 world cup - that goal against argentina, etc.
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I want him to do well... I'm just trying to be realistic.
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Perhaps the goals will be coming from midfield... Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Cole should get a few, and it wouldn't surprise me if Lampard finished our top scorer.
 
jamesrw said:
I hope wallcott silences you lot, I really do, just remember owen in the 98 world cup - that goal against argentina, etc.
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No real comparison tbh. Owen had played a full season for Liverpool and had been top score in the EPL with 22 goals (played 43 games in total that year aswell iirc), Walcott has started 13 games and scored 5 goals in Division 1.
But i do hope he proves everyone wrong for doubting his selection.
 
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