PS3 UK Demand

[Demon]

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When it comes to expense, you can't easily compare either console as there are no equals..

Otherwise you just end up in a mass of combinations and permutations that you can bend either way..
To compare RRP of individual consoles is just fanboy fodder, we need to look at 'deals' on the street, no one in their right mind is going to choose a console only deal over a console + games + accessories for the same price..

If you look at VFM, then with current deals, the 360 is still better VFM, even spec'd up..

Example.
Xbox 360 + PGR3 + Smackdown + XBLA Unplugged + Extra MS Wireless Controller = £299, then you'd have to add a HD-DVD (comes with remote) on top, and the MS WiFi dongle.. oh, and a HD-DVD Film, which is £130 + £55 + £15(Street prices)
making a grand total of £500

So to achieve the same for PS3, looking at deals and being kind
I can find a PS3 with 3 games, HDMI Cable (and BR Film) for £525
Then adding a Sony controller, £28 , Headset, PS2 USB Sony headset £25, and official BR remote £15,

that works out at £593 if we accept a non Sony HDMI lead as 'fair'..

But so what.. £93 isn't a lot anyway, I'd say more importantly, from a financial aspect, the 360 is much more appealing because you don't have to buy it all at once, if you don't need wireless or have a wireless AP near the console anyway, then you don't have to pay £55 for the priviledge of something you don't need, the same goes for the HD-DVD drive..

Of course Fanboys would just retort with looking at 'basic' RRP/Hardware only theoretical prices to skew it either way.. but this isn't what is available to the average joe..

 

[REDD555]

Kojak, I agree on what you say but I got a 360 from a store that resembles a burning rock in the sky on release day yet no one could get one for love nor money. Shows regional demographics really, Crewe is the pits! LOL.

 

[REDD555]

Well sorry to give them to you, but both those statements are true for me.

Whatever. Xbox360 rules.

Happy? Can't be bothered with all this nonsense. If you want one, get one, if you don't then don't get one. Simple.

I will be enjoying mine considerably more than my 360 thanks

F it, I might buy 2! LOL

 

[GarethDW]

When it comes to expense <snip>

Very well said.

 

[Tax Evader]

Whatever. Xbox360 rules.

Happy? Can't be bothered with all this nonsense. If you want one, get one, if you don't then don't get one. Simple.

I will be enjoying mine considerably more than my 360 thanks

F it, I might buy 2! LOL

Yes I'm happy, but I wasn't arguing with anyone here anyway - all I've added to this thread is my own reasons for not needing to make a PS3 Pre-order

 

[REDD555]

Very well said.

Agreed. But I would add that value bundles should be expected from an 18month old console surely? Just like I can get a PS2 for £50 now.

Tax Evader. No offense chap, these threads always turn into a 360 v PS3 and I am totally unbiased as I've had one and will have the other.

When GT is available on the 360 and I can hear it over the noise and sit close enough not to melt, I'll get another 360

I love reasoned debate. ROFL!

 

[Kojak]

It's probably already been mentioned but does anyone else think the strength of the PlayStation 2 at the moment is a problem for the PAL PlayStation 3? The consoles are really cheap with lots of great games and great games still being released and then on top of that it's announced the PS3 will only have limited backward compatibility when it's launched.

 

[Scrutinize]

Sorry. If it's going down this road again I can't agree.
360 is MORE EXPENSIVE like for like...fact. No matter how many times you don't want to go there. Please don't give me the "I don't want a Blu-Ray player" or "I don't need a wifi connection cos 20metres of cat5 is good enuff" etc etc.

Nothing wrong with it having a BR player and I have been in favour of it, it makes it more expensive yes, but equally excellent value. But then how many families and especially kids playing on consoles in their bedroom will bother with BR since the majority don't have an HD TV to use it on. The wifi is useful no ones ever really questioned that. I would have thought BR would have improved demand and sales quite a bit but since the BR format has not really launched here (in full swing) the average person is not aware of what the PS3 offers.

Bundles are obviously a bargain now cos it has been out 18 months afterall. I had one from day one of release and it soon got sold. Only GoW is tempting me again but that's not enough to put up with that shonky noise again imho.

It was never really that expensive to begin with but savings are getting better. The noise used to annoy me on mine too but I soon blocked it out.

Exclusives? Well. I'd rather have the "best" version and I'm not predicting PS3 versions will always be the "best" but the hardware indicates they might.

Since there will only be a handful of exculsives with the majority of games cross platform (Pro Evo, GTA4, etc etc) the difference between PS3 and 360 will be small if noticeable to a point where the price matters. October 2007 GTA4 bundles are out (probably the benchmark cross platform game this year) and I would imagine the PS3 will be £420 inc and the 360 £250 inc. Cheapest will win out for most people (families) coming up to xmas especially if they have several kids to buy for etc etc etc. The average OCUKer and AVforumer etc isn't representative of the UK pop to be fair.

And don't forget the PS3 is simply late to market with effectively the same power as the 360 although the Cell is in theory a fair bit better if the developers can harness it. The GPU will limit the PS3 more than the CPU so whether they will really see a significant improvement in the gaming environment could be a while off.

Demand is huge, due partly to the delay and Sony actually getting enough consoles to meet the demand. Just because it hasn't sold out, doesn't mean there's no demand, it means the demand is being met.
I went to about 5 shops on Sunday and, even though they are still taking launch day pre-orders, they have sold a substantial amount. Over 200 in just one tiny store for instance.

Demand isn't huge. If they ship 300,000 consoles to the UK and they sell out in a month or two thats not that bad but not huge.

 

[Scrutinize]

It's probably already been mentioned but does anyone else think the strength of the PlayStation 2 at the moment is a problem for the PAL PlayStation 3? The consoles are really cheap with lots of great games and great games still being released and then on top of that it's announced the PS3 will only have limited backward compatibility when it's launched.

For the average family buying for their young KIDs the the PS2 will win out, loads of games, loads of young kids games, and financially costs the same as a weeks shopping not a months. This applies to the hit on the 360 sales just as much

 

[wannabedamned]

When it comes to expense, you can't easily compare either console as there are no equals..

Otherwise you just end up in a mass of combinations and permutations that you can bend either way..
To compare RRP of individual consoles is just fanboy fodder, we need to look at 'deals' on the street, no one in their right mind is going to choose a console only deal over a console + games + accessories for the same price..

If you look at VFM, then with current deals, the 360 is still better VFM, even spec'd up..

Example.
Xbox 360 + PGR3 + Smackdown + XBLA Unplugged + Extra MS Wireless Controller = £299, then you'd have to add a HD-DVD (comes with remote) on top, and the MS WiFi dongle.. oh, and a HD-DVD Film, which is £130 + £55 + £15(Street prices)
making a grand total of £500

So to achieve the same for PS3, looking at deals and being kind
I can find a PS3 with 3 games, HDMI Cable (and BR Film) for £525
Then adding a Sony controller, £28 , Headset, PS2 USB Sony headset £25, and official BR remote £15,

that works out at £593 if we accept a non Sony HDMI lead as 'fair'..

But so what.. £93 isn't a lot anyway, I'd say more importantly, from a financial aspect, the 360 is much more appealing because you don't have to buy it all at once, if you don't need wireless or have a wireless AP near the console anyway, then you don't have to pay £55 for the priviledge of something you don't need, the same goes for the HD-DVD drive..

Of course Fanboys would just retort with looking at 'basic' RRP/Hardware only theoretical prices to skew it either way.. but this isn't what is available to the average joe..

Quoted for truth. And I'll throw in the fact one of the consoles is 18 months old

 

[JUMPURS]

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This is a thread i have managed to avoid lol
Since you are bringing the 2 specs together, you should add Play and Charge and a Live sub, cos that is also built into the PS3 price. Sure you will get fanboys saying 'Xbox live is so much more than the PS3 online. But it isn't really if all you want to do is play multiplayer online.
Maybe Live should let you play Multiplayer for free, and charge 40 quid for the bells and whistles and we will see who really does think its worth the money

Also why add a remote for the PS3 when you need to add one to the 360 iirc? I thought the remote was limited time only with the HD-DVD drive?

(Remember it isn't me bringing the 2 machines to the same spec)

 

[ElRazur]

I love this forum....No longer can people say what they want about ps3 and not expect some sort of missile fired back.....Haaa

 

[Joebob]

Jeeesh... I have too many posts on this thread that I want to respond to that I don't know where to start!!!

Think I'm probably best just to leave you ladies to get on with it tbh

 

[REDD555]

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Good points and well made. I agree with everything you say and I've come to a fair summary.

If all you want is good (great even) games then the CORE 360 with a memory card is unbeatable for value. Agreed?

If you WANT all the bells, whistles, Blu-Ray player, HDMI, etc etc then, really, the PS3 isn't that bad a pricepoint considering? No? Anyone?

 

[Demon]

This is a thread i have managed to avoid lol
Since you are bringing the 2 specs together, you should add Play and Charge and a Live sub, cos that is also built into the PS3 price. Sure you will get fanboys saying 'Xbox live is so much more than the PS3 online. But it isn't really if all you want to do is play multiplayer online.
Maybe Live should let you play Multiplayer for free, and charge 40 quid for the bells and whistles and we will see who really does think its worth the money

Also why add a remote for the PS3 when you need to add one to the 360 iirc? I thought the remote was limited time only with the HD-DVD drive?

(Remember it isn't me bringing the 2 machines to the same spec)

Exactly the debate I was showing we shouldn't be going into.. it's endless and you can't compare like for like..
The only sensible remark I would make is that you don't need any remote to operate the HD-DVD, it can be done from a controller, but since it's in the HD-DVD Pack and it is a feature most people want for their HD-DVD/BR player its included..

As for the rest.. where does it stop..
- PSN != LIVE.. how can I add somethng onto the PS3 to make up for this?
- If I buy a P&C kit for the 360, I'll have the supplied batteries left over, do I add these to the cost of the PS3 to be fair?

etc
etc
etc

 

[wannabedamned]

Good points and well made. I agree with everything you say and I've come to a fair summary.

If all you want is good (great even) games then the CORE 360 with a memory card is unbeatable for value. Agreed?

If you WANT all the bells, whistles, Blu-Ray player, HDMI, etc etc then, really, the PS3 isn't that bad a pricepoint considering? No? Anyone?

Simply put, I'm wanting both consoles.

I'm buying the PS3 first, Due to working out the costs similarly to Demon, I actually worked it out a bit cheaper. But not much.

I've been playing on a Jap PS3 for months now, and they are fantastic consoles. With some great games. I've also been playing on a 360 too.

The real reason I'm not buying the 360 first, Is i've heard rumours of a revision, and my friends console has been replaced 3 times now. I'd rather wait for the revision.

But cost has nothing to do with it. As for 2 consoles of equal spec, pricing is so similar it's silly to argue. I want HD playback, And I want wireless

 

[Mr Latte]

I love this forum....No longer can people say what they want about ps3 and not expect some sort of missile fired back.....Haaa

Oh yes we can because missle's can be shot down.

Just for the record once again LIVE even if paying full whack is £40 per year.
Why you Sony elect keep hammering at this because lets see how feeble your argument is regards it.

£40 = less than 100 bags of crisps in a year
£40 = less than 50 cans or bottles of coke/pepsi etc per year
£40 = less than 10 magazines in a year
£40 = 77p per week
Gaming as much as you want using the best service currently on the market with free videos demos and download content = PRICELESS





Or at least worth £40 if it really matters...

 

[ElRazur]

Jumpurs.....Joebob....I need some help here guys, mr latte is at it again

 

[Mr Latte]

Jumpurs.....Joebob....I need some help here guys, mr latte is at it again

If anyone enjoys keeping you lot going its me.

 

[Demon]

I love this forum....No longer can people say what they want about ps3 and not expect some sort of missile fired back.....Haaa

Look, deal with it, the PS3 isnt' perfect, it's got quite a few areas in need of improvement, it came to the table very late with so much hype that it set itself up for a minor fall... so when debates occur of course people are going to point out the flaws, they exist, the big difference between this and the 360, is that when it's working, it produces a better gaming experience, the problems it has are hardware reliability and noise, these are pretty well daily topics of discussion as well

As proof, Gamespot released an article that is stating that the PS3 will be a great console worth buying when it 'fixes'/'improves' a few things..

GO AND READ THIS

I still very much like the PS3, and I will be adding one to my stable (Although I will wait for the price to fall or just impulse buy as I normally do ), as I have done with all previous Sony consoles..

Why can't you just be more tolerant to public opinion?