PS3 vs 360 graphics
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thedoc46 said:
o god u only mentioned one point about games and even then u said that the 360 wins. then u seem to ramble on about how u can travel into the future with mj fox and see awesome ps3 games coming out and no good x360 games at all to compete.
dude if i wanted a damn picture slide show thingy i would use a pc. dunno what u are going on about with the lack of hdd space, still have plenty of space on mine.
the only valid point u have is the noise the 360 puts out. thats it really.
if u want to argue at least say the real good things that the ps3 has: eg. resistance, the online multiplayer for it with 40 people, the sixaxis controller, if u drop a ps3 on a cat then u will prolly kill it. see stuff like that!
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Mana said:
Agreed - he won't be getting approached by SONYs marketing department
LOL - Get the man a bib - that was drivel.dirtydog said:
"Well that and Sony constantly spewing BS about specs, games, performance, release dates... well you get the idea."
Like I said earlier. Of course MS are acting in their own interest they are a coporation after all. But then do you think Sony have bestowed the magical gift of a Blu-Ray drive for any other reason than to promote its own format? Of course not, at least MS have been honest with it's customers and they have kept their promises to a much greater extent than Sony have.
Raikiri said:
From Wikipedia
"The Blue-ray Disc standard was jointly developed by a group of consumer electronics and PC companies called the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA). Members include:- Matsushita, Pioneer, Phillips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung and Sony"
Sony may have a share in BD but is by no means the sole owner. Just like Sony and Philips jointly developed the CD.
This doesn't mean that Sony are likely to get huge royalties from the format. They do have a vested interest in the format though and no doubt the inclusion of the BD player was to ensure they make a return on their investment.
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long and mind melting thread, read that techincal article..........very informative basically:
CPU
PS3 'better' but very limited in what it can do and how
Xbox360, more general, much better design imo for this gen
winner: non
ONLY if developers make a game specifically for the console will either of them shine (gears war is only thing I can think of taking proper advantage of 360 and my god you can tell) but I dont see it happening unless they have specific licensing agreements from the get go. The EA mongerals will make 'standard' type of games and port them to all consoles to make more £££££££ so nothing would have really been put in to getting the most out of each and every console
GPU:
PS3: 7800gtx - ok does job, fixed in what it can do, odd weird ps3 programming running through it unfortunatly, wonder how much more could be got out of it running D3d (which to be honest is what the gen/tech was made for - N47) or OGL 2.0 (which i imagine it runs in ps3s linux system)
360: The only 'TRUE' next gen thing about these consoles, its simply awesome for the current tech and is a testiment to ATI, well done. Fast, smart design way ahead of its time at the consoles point of release, and is still now, even faster than most stuff on the PC market, due to its incrediable effieciency of what it can theroretically can do (again gears war uses it nicely, I wonder how much of its really being used even for this ?)
Winner : 360 by a country mile
Storage:
PS3 - blueray, huge amount of storage space, however 8.7mb a sec read speed of data can be read from it, compression still needed to stop loading times being an age, so the 25gb it can store becomes somewhat pointless considering read speeds
Xbox360: 12dvd, 16.7mb sec read speed, so double as fast at getting the info in the console, much better, however limited by capacity of disk space, but the disk space available is more than enough considering compression, (which further speeds up 'read speed' times)
Winner:
for games 360 due to read speed
Media PS3 due to blueray
No clear winner really, depends what you wanna do, considering read speeds, and its effects on games, id say the 360 easy, also games dont need 25gb of space for a good long game (oblivion, gears war as examples) Course MS may possibly start to release games on HD-DVD if they wanted to and lifted restrictions on that id guess if they were pushed into a corner.
PS3, great idea but looks a lot like there trying to push there own format, which they are, theres more motives to the console other than what the gamer wants, why on earth would they settle for 8.7mb /s read speed, thats daft, more space with half the loading time, oops
As for design and games 360 clear winner (if you think logically) also its media capabilites exceed sony (for me) when i use it with my MCE2005 PC, streaming music, pics films etc is easy and well done
PS3, dont know that they have done there, blueray films will look awesome, games, umm now and next 2 years no different to worse than 360, if they can use the cell along time in the future (about 4 years) AI and physics may start to kick off nicely on it, by then the new xbox console will be out mullering it..........well played MS global domination awaits you
damn you sony ! we need more competition !
So the graphics of a game will end up being better on the 360 (as they generally are now), no contest its GPU is outstanding and floors the PS3. In game Physics for example should be better on ps3, however to edit this post 'advanced; AI is ni-on nearly imposs on ps3 due to its '7' processors having near non out of order programming ability - exactly whats needed for ai, 360 while still 'bad' is able to sustain out of order branching much better - therefore AI should be better
Its all swings and round abouts (to be fair as far as console power goes, 360, only because 'most' of the consoles power is designed for graphics, physics ai is dependant on how its done, not the pure numbers), the only true thing that will make one better than another is its games, either camp needs to realease awesome mind blowing addictive long games that just make you wanna play and engage the person who is playing, I await said games
EDIT: as pointed out another down side on 360 is its noise level in game, i have no idea of the noise a ps3 makes in game
EDIT2:yes I suppose developers will transfer some game chunks to the HD, have sony reserved 25gb space for games that could require it ? would it transfer everytime ? (still taking ages to load, so no different) or once the 1st time ? (again taking ages, but once its transfered is faster in future), also how many games could you transfer, obviously 60gb is not enough for 2 games at most, considereing os and that, also what if you want to download stuff off sony store?
CPU
PS3 'better' but very limited in what it can do and how
Xbox360, more general, much better design imo for this gen
winner: non
ONLY if developers make a game specifically for the console will either of them shine (gears war is only thing I can think of taking proper advantage of 360 and my god you can tell) but I dont see it happening unless they have specific licensing agreements from the get go. The EA mongerals will make 'standard' type of games and port them to all consoles to make more £££££££ so nothing would have really been put in to getting the most out of each and every console
GPU:
PS3: 7800gtx - ok does job, fixed in what it can do, odd weird ps3 programming running through it unfortunatly, wonder how much more could be got out of it running D3d (which to be honest is what the gen/tech was made for - N47) or OGL 2.0 (which i imagine it runs in ps3s linux system)
360: The only 'TRUE' next gen thing about these consoles, its simply awesome for the current tech and is a testiment to ATI, well done. Fast, smart design way ahead of its time at the consoles point of release, and is still now, even faster than most stuff on the PC market, due to its incrediable effieciency of what it can theroretically can do (again gears war uses it nicely, I wonder how much of its really being used even for this ?)
Winner : 360 by a country mile
Storage:
PS3 - blueray, huge amount of storage space, however 8.7mb a sec read speed of data can be read from it, compression still needed to stop loading times being an age, so the 25gb it can store becomes somewhat pointless considering read speeds
Xbox360: 12dvd, 16.7mb sec read speed, so double as fast at getting the info in the console, much better, however limited by capacity of disk space, but the disk space available is more than enough considering compression, (which further speeds up 'read speed' times)
Winner:
for games 360 due to read speed
Media PS3 due to blueray
No clear winner really, depends what you wanna do, considering read speeds, and its effects on games, id say the 360 easy, also games dont need 25gb of space for a good long game (oblivion, gears war as examples) Course MS may possibly start to release games on HD-DVD if they wanted to and lifted restrictions on that id guess if they were pushed into a corner.
PS3, great idea but looks a lot like there trying to push there own format, which they are, theres more motives to the console other than what the gamer wants, why on earth would they settle for 8.7mb /s read speed, thats daft, more space with half the loading time, oops
As for design and games 360 clear winner (if you think logically) also its media capabilites exceed sony (for me) when i use it with my MCE2005 PC, streaming music, pics films etc is easy and well done
PS3, dont know that they have done there, blueray films will look awesome, games, umm now and next 2 years no different to worse than 360, if they can use the cell along time in the future (about 4 years) AI and physics may start to kick off nicely on it, by then the new xbox console will be out mullering it..........well played MS global domination awaits you
damn you sony ! we need more competition !So the graphics of a game will end up being better on the 360 (as they generally are now), no contest its GPU is outstanding and floors the PS3. In game Physics for example should be better on ps3, however to edit this post 'advanced; AI is ni-on nearly imposs on ps3 due to its '7' processors having near non out of order programming ability - exactly whats needed for ai, 360 while still 'bad' is able to sustain out of order branching much better - therefore AI should be better
Its all swings and round abouts (to be fair as far as console power goes, 360, only because 'most' of the consoles power is designed for graphics, physics ai is dependant on how its done, not the pure numbers), the only true thing that will make one better than another is its games, either camp needs to realease awesome mind blowing addictive long games that just make you wanna play and engage the person who is playing, I await said games
EDIT: as pointed out another down side on 360 is its noise level in game, i have no idea of the noise a ps3 makes in game
EDIT2:yes I suppose developers will transfer some game chunks to the HD, have sony reserved 25gb space for games that could require it ? would it transfer everytime ? (still taking ages to load, so no different) or once the 1st time ? (again taking ages, but once its transfered is faster in future), also how many games could you transfer, obviously 60gb is not enough for 2 games at most, considereing os and that, also what if you want to download stuff off sony store?
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60GB HDD- speed boost by utilising install space...
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Nickg said:
EDIT: as pointed out another down side on 360 is its noise level in game, i have no idea of the noise a ps3 makes in game
EDIT2:yes I suppose developers will transfer some game chunks to the HD, have sony reserved 25gb space for games that could require it ? would it transfer everytime ? (still taking ages to load, so no different) or once the 1st time ? (again taking ages, but once its transfered is faster in future), also how many games could you transfer, obviously 60gb is not enough for 2 games at most, considereing os and that, also what if you want to download stuff off sony store?
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Combat squirrel said:
well i think it would vary from game to game.
yes i believe its a preload - i.e once off hdd transfer.
you can simply buy new 2.5" HDD to use.
Yes it should make the console quieter, with faster responsiveness and lower load times.
No you cant do the same on th xbox360.
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Nickg said:
True all games are diff, depends how developer uses is
This im not sure on - I dont see average joe buying a new harddisk everytime, also its not fair on the customer whos paid silly amounts for console, also how would you save and transfer gamer profiles, does it have them ? Infact the whole idea is nuts, if you had to keep buying 3rd party harddisks for the PS3 for every 2/3games you play just to keep loading times under 4/5mins it would indeed have to go down as the worst designed consumer product ever, also changing the HD in the PS3 is not like unclipping it from a 360, you require tools and patience, average joe would be worried removing it in such a technical way (there bolted down to a frame which slides into the side via a standard 2.5" ide port, scary looking for little jimy seeing the insides of his beloved toy,lol)
Fact is gamers (not techincal sorts like me and you) will HAVE to put up with long long long loading times, PGR3 if it was to come out on ps3 for example, I get annoyed at the 30-40seconds it takes to load each track on 360 now, twice that time would quite simply annoy me (then i go round my mates house to see it looking the exact same loading 2x quicker on a 360, average joe would think - man gonna get me a 360)
yeh but the 360 has a faster load time, still long sometimes tho depending on game, all MS need to do is allow the transfer of one gamer profile and save games to another console via mem card, peeps that have 2 consoles would like that, console in bedroom or downstairs for eg (although most peeps usually have jus one console! lol)
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Combat squirrel said:
Hold on, the Playstation 3 does actually have a DVD Rom too y'know. Surely this will be the prefered (and cheaper production) media format for most games developers to start with. Although I'm sure they will use BD when it's a sufficient sized game to warrant it.
Also, does no one think the sixaxis controller is gonna be something a little extra than the 360's? (I'm not talking battery life etc either - yeah ok, I think Sony should have made the rechargable battery removable like in the PSP but they didnt)
The six axis controller, yeah cool. But I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of force feedback. It does look cool but the 360 controller, to me, feels perfect. That obviously is subjective but I can do without being able to move the controller to move my car in game. I think that my enjoyment of a game would be greatly decreased if I didn't have vibrations when I hit stuff.
If I've made a mistake and the PS3 controller does have vibration then ignore this post.
If I've made a mistake and the PS3 controller does have vibration then ignore this post.
Watch this for "proof" using a single game comparison
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155393
Look for the option "Download our HD comparison video" to see it in a larger resolution.
The vid uses TigerWoods07 golf and split screen with 360 on one side and PS3 on other.
PS: Take the real challenge and cover up the bottom 2 inches fo your screen when watching so you can't tell which is which and guess it. Too close to tell.
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155393
Look for the option "Download our HD comparison video" to see it in a larger resolution.
The vid uses TigerWoods07 golf and split screen with 360 on one side and PS3 on other.
PS: Take the real challenge and cover up the bottom 2 inches fo your screen when watching so you can't tell which is which and guess it. Too close to tell.
Wow thats a lot of posts since last night....
Some of its a bit much
Technial comparisons dont bother me, ok i know generally what both offer but dont get caught up in the specs of each.
What is important is what and why would each console appeal more to the general public or console curious gamer. GAMES is what its about but as i mentioned earlier the PS3 is a very cheap Blu Ray player and a lot of its sales will arise because of this fact alone.
Some of the points made are not as important as others.
For instance your not going to pick a PS3 over a X360 because it has Bluetooth and you can use your wireless headset/earpiece. The same goes for mentioning wireless networks. 360 can interact with a PC but again many dont see it as a potential system buying decision.
Breakdown:
Games
X360 will have a larger catalouge and with more exciting exclusives
Sony seem to have lost developer confidence and thats to be expected with come Easter approx 8-10 million X360s in circulation to a possible 3-5 million PS3 by UK launch date.
Its then not hard to see from developers situation whats the best system to support the most and this is one of the advantages the PS2 always had.
Features
X360 again is providing more entertainment out of the box with Live
Considering the amount of demos and videos that appear with many more TV style features and possible HD Movie downloads its looking good for the future.
Online Gaming & Co-op
Its not hard to know which one is better here.
Sony have yet to show anything remotely as good.
I agree styling is personal but i would go as far to say that the quietness of the PS3 would be very welcome as would the HDMI connectivity.
My problem with the PS3 is the LACK of very impressive titles, particulary ones that will not be available on the X360 or at the very least the PS3 version being substantial better to warrant the PS3 price.
X360 only has to increase its portfollio (which is happening) and aim for a good marketing campaign. No doubt sending a blow to Sony with a price drop prior to PS3 release to increase their advantages. Doesnt this then make it particulary hard for the PS3 and its higher price with very few advantages/exclusives espically when you see what games are coming for the X360 next year ....
Thoughts please...
Some of its a bit much
Technial comparisons dont bother me, ok i know generally what both offer but dont get caught up in the specs of each.
What is important is what and why would each console appeal more to the general public or console curious gamer. GAMES is what its about but as i mentioned earlier the PS3 is a very cheap Blu Ray player and a lot of its sales will arise because of this fact alone.
Some of the points made are not as important as others.
For instance your not going to pick a PS3 over a X360 because it has Bluetooth and you can use your wireless headset/earpiece. The same goes for mentioning wireless networks. 360 can interact with a PC but again many dont see it as a potential system buying decision.
Breakdown:
Games
X360 will have a larger catalouge and with more exciting exclusives
Sony seem to have lost developer confidence and thats to be expected with come Easter approx 8-10 million X360s in circulation to a possible 3-5 million PS3 by UK launch date.
Its then not hard to see from developers situation whats the best system to support the most and this is one of the advantages the PS2 always had.
Features
X360 again is providing more entertainment out of the box with Live
Considering the amount of demos and videos that appear with many more TV style features and possible HD Movie downloads its looking good for the future.
Online Gaming & Co-op
Its not hard to know which one is better here.
Sony have yet to show anything remotely as good.
I agree styling is personal but i would go as far to say that the quietness of the PS3 would be very welcome as would the HDMI connectivity.
My problem with the PS3 is the LACK of very impressive titles, particulary ones that will not be available on the X360 or at the very least the PS3 version being substantial better to warrant the PS3 price.
X360 only has to increase its portfollio (which is happening) and aim for a good marketing campaign. No doubt sending a blow to Sony with a price drop prior to PS3 release to increase their advantages. Doesnt this then make it particulary hard for the PS3 and its higher price with very few advantages/exclusives espically when you see what games are coming for the X360 next year ....
Thoughts please...
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forget the ps3 the devs are thinking about the ps4 now.
http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21582
http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21582
but the Playstation 3 looks like a shiny black pillow... surely that's worth an extra £200 of anybody's money?
This guy sums it all up for me and I must admit I totally agree with what he has to say:-
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7661195&publicUserId=4561231
This guy sums it all up for me and I must admit I totally agree with what he has to say:-
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7661195&publicUserId=4561231
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