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PS4 dev kits use AMD A10 derivative

People are forgetting that the Piledriver architecture is capable of crunching some serious numbers when the more advanced instructions are used. When developers program for consoles they try and squeeze out the best performance.

Instructions like FMA and AVX can double the performance of an application when used properly. This is most likely the reason they are going with an AMD chip, since the similarly priced Intel chips (Pentiums, i3s) are crippled in terms of instructions and of course graphics.
 
Nice one AMD, more money for the coffers.

Thats Nintendo WiiU and Sony PS4 now, next Microsoft xBox 720.
 
Combat squirrel said:
The A10 in a console with 7850 class graphics would be very very much more powerful than todays consoles.

Seems correct, logical etc, don't know why everyone is stressing.
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That sounds perfect, but I wouldn't say logical.

The IGP won't be like a 7850, or we'd have it in desktop space, I mean, AMD would literally be selling them by the ocean load.

If they've got a dedicated 7850 type GPU, why the A10?

Also really doubt the 1080p @ 60 claim.

Also, power constraints, form factor constraints, cooling constraints.

Piledriver cores, no IGP with something between a 7770-7850 would be logical.

Unless they're just calling piledriver cores A10.
 
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Martini1991 said:
That sounds perfect, but I wouldn't say logical.

The IGP won't be like a 7850, or we'd have it in desktop space, I mean, AMD would literally be selling them by the ocean load.

If they've got a dedicated 7850 type GPU, why the A10?

Really doubt it'll be a 7850 type GPU.

Also really doubt the 1080p @ 60 claim.

Also, power constraints, form factor constraints, cooling constraints.
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7850 will not fit on the A-10's silicon as its 28nm vs 32nm

The A-10 uses 6### series GPU shaders shrunk to 32nm.

But, AMD's next APU will be 28nm, so they can use GCN shaders and probably will use GCN 2.0 cores, with that; 7850 performance (or close) from a 28nm APU is possible on a 125w TDP. or even less without vRAM to worry about.
 
humbug said:
7850 will not fit on the A-10's silicon as its 28nm vs 32nm

The A-10 uses 6### series GPU shaders shrunk to 32nm.

But, AMD's next APU will be 28nm, so they can use GCN shaders and probably will use GCN 2.0 cores, with that 7850 performance (or close) from a 28nm APU is possible on a 125w TDP. or even less without vRAM to worry about.
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It's possible in the future, but they're receiving kits now.
Although, I'd be more inclined to believe around 7770 IGP performance.
 
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Martini1991 said:
It's possible in the future, but they're receiving kits now.
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I know, they could have shrunk the the A-10 to 28nm and already have GCN 2.0 ready.

Or this could already be a full blown Kaveri APU.

I'm sceptical of that, but who knows?

We will have to wait and see.
 
But if they could do it, logically we'd see this product in desktop space, I mean seriously, you'd sell your left testicle to get a CPU with an IGP around a 7850/7770 in itself.

Then again, this is AMD, they release platforms that people can't buy.
(Complete shortage of Piledriver chips, launched AM3+ with no CPU's, FM2 boards are still in abysmal quantities)
 
Could also be a part of the deal with Sony not to sell it to the public as an APU, at least not for a given time, which i would find really annoying.
 
It could be an expensive, hot, power hungry unprofitable batch solely purposed for dev kits and so not suitable yet for mass market. 4PD cores and X hundred gcn 2.0 shaders or sumink.
 
Another Problem is what xbox is doing. Developers who develop for all platforms tend not to change much between each console. If one console is has a weaker CPU then most likely that will be the target developers will aim for rather than develop for the stronger CPU and look to cut from the other release. More of a bottom up than a top down approach.
 
ubersonic said:
Nobody expected the Xbox to have a modified Geforce 3 Ti500 (then the worlds premier gaming card) until it happened...
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SmellyFingers said:
I'd love an "A11" with 7850 hybrid PS4.
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Thats why the PS4 could easily have a 7850 we won't know anything about it until they release the full hardware specs of the consoles . Lets hope with the hardware they are using it means better console ports for the PC.
 
As much as I would love Sony to put a 7850 in the PS4 I just can't see it happening. I think it will have similar levels of graphical power to the Xbox 720 (the last set of rumors I heard put it around a 6670).
 
If it says an A10 derivative then that is what it will be, not some magical chip with a gpu 3 further steps up the hierarchy

A10=7660, 7750, 7770, 7850
 
An old article on the subject of next gen consoles. Although cpu info has been updated since then, the gpu info seems to be more or less what we have discussed that next gen consoles may be coming with 66XX (76XX) graphics cards lol

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PlayStation-Xbox-Radeon-APU-Orbis,15247.html

On a discrete graphics level, sources say that the PlayStation 4 will be "toe-to-toe" with Microsoft's Xbox 720, as the latter console will reportedly use AMD's HD 6670 card. The HD 7670 is actually a re-branding of last year's HD 6670 featuring the same specs across the board. It's an entry-level GPU by today's standards, costing around $74.99 USD, but capable of cranking out just over 30 FPS in Metro 2033 and Crysis 2 with the settings at high and the resolution cranked up to 1920 x 1080.
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Though not sure how true the last line is.
 
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