They manufacture top notch grahics cards, no doubt in my mind, but the gpu is only as good as the driver. I use ati graphics cards mainly for gaming, i'm not really gutted just dissappointed with performance in games after catalyst 10.5 and a couple of features implemented into catalyst control centre.
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Put off by ATI ?
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Soldato
Drunken would rather have you use an unstable method do force 3D clocks, this method can cause BSOD with flash or HD content, it is not supported officially in software by the MSI developers because it can cause stability problems. All AMD have to do is have a force 3D clocks globally or for select programs option similar to Nvidia, you get to keep power management functions and don't have to mess around forcing 2D/3D clocks with third party software, is that so hard for AMD to implement considering all the problems powerplay has caused. See how easy it is with the Nvidia control panel, I have a game that's not very 3D intensive and it causes my clocks to act erratically, simply prefer maximum performance for that game and you're sorted, you force clocks for that game onlt and nothing else, clocks do not get forced to full 3D clocks whist watching HD content or flash like they do with the AMD fixes.
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Ive not been put off at all. I dont mind using afterburner to set profiles, in fact if there hadn't been a powerplay issue i wouldn't have bothered with profiles, now i have a stock, mild oc and heavy oc depending n the game.
I do wish they would tackle some of the fundamental issues like powerplay however, but its not a deal killer.
I do wish they would tackle some of the fundamental issues like powerplay however, but its not a deal killer.
Soldato
never had any bsods witching flash and doing the same thing. actually how many people have?
Soldato
I believe GJ02 has suffered from BSOD from trying to correct powerplay problems.
Lots of users on the ATI forums have similar issues regarding powerplay yet AMD continue to ignore them.
http://forums.amd.com/game/messagev...did=133188&highlight_key=y&keyword1=powerplay
From afterburner readme, why should people that pay big money for GFX hardware be forced to go to such measures.
Lots of users on the ATI forums have similar issues regarding powerplay yet AMD continue to ignore them.
http://forums.amd.com/game/messagev...did=133188&highlight_key=y&keyword1=powerplay
From afterburner readme, why should people that pay big money for GFX hardware be forced to go to such measures.
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Soldato
Never had an issue with their drivers, though am still on 10.4.
Admittedly, some of their drivers do have issues which is why I don't jump on them when they are released straight away and wait for any issues to arise.
I just cannot comprehend why people have to download the new drivers a nanosecond after they come out. In reality, if there is an improvement, it will be minimal anyway?
People just need to chill and then would face no issues.
Admittedly, some of their drivers do have issues which is why I don't jump on them when they are released straight away and wait for any issues to arise.
I just cannot comprehend why people have to download the new drivers a nanosecond after they come out. In reality, if there is an improvement, it will be minimal anyway?
People just need to chill and then would face no issues.
Also, sometimes, if you have a problem with a certain new game the tech support often tell you to download and use the latest drivers, hehe!!.
As you probably new, because I remember you posting in my thread, I very nearly made the jump to Nvidia.
All I can say is thank God I didn't, I love my crossfire setup and haven't had any issues with the 10.8 drivers. Really happy I decided to keep my 5870's and will probably stick with ATI for the next few years.
All I can say is thank God I didn't, I love my crossfire setup and haven't had any issues with the 10.8 drivers. Really happy I decided to keep my 5870's and will probably stick with ATI for the next few years.
This.
I would never write off ATI off completely though because they sometimes make hardware that NVidia's better quality of drivers can't compensate for.
Soldato
I've never really had issues with either companies' drivers that wasn't a problem at my end.
I've had:
ATI:
-4850
-4890
-5850
Nvidia:
-9800GT
-GTX470
-8800GT
I've always updated to the latest drivers as they come out, and never had an issue (besides 10.5s with my 5850, didn't like that, so dropped back to 10.4), besides enabling SLI...
That said, when I sold my brother my 4890, he got artefacts when updating to 10.6, so dropped back to 10.3. Runs perfectly on 10.8 now though, and BC2 loading times are good again (which is his favourite game).
I've had:
ATI:
-4850
-4890
-5850
Nvidia:
-9800GT
-GTX470
-8800GT
I've always updated to the latest drivers as they come out, and never had an issue (besides 10.5s with my 5850, didn't like that, so dropped back to 10.4), besides enabling SLI...
That said, when I sold my brother my 4890, he got artefacts when updating to 10.6, so dropped back to 10.3. Runs perfectly on 10.8 now though, and BC2 loading times are good again (which is his favourite game).
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I'm going to be changing to nvidia next round I think. I've only really had problems powerplay which I've circumvented with afterburner (but it means It's running at full clocks when idle). I want CUDA as well though 
Soldato
Thats one person, you might aswell damn windows 7 because you had a bsod at some point some time. There's no doubt that it will cause problems when trying to use 3rd party software but that is reaching.
that's about powerplay itself clocking up and down in bf2 - nothing to do with flash videos surely? I must admit, i dont know much about the problem and i dont know what the answer is but truth be told i never got in to bf2 anyway. Powerplay also clocks my gpu down when the load is light in old games, but that hasn't ever cause any unwanted side effects. It would be nice if ati gave us the option to turn that off, but it's not the end of the world for sure. Also, i found that in older games that do this, just turning up the wick will stop the down-clocking - ie, force AA on or something similar.
Ati dont support it, why would they - they have their own overclocking software. That's a bit different to say...flashing the bios to get things working isnt it?
you say that as if nvidias drivers have always been better lol
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I would say I'm more into Nvidia due to my experience with ATi drivers. This doesn't stop me buying them if better than it's competitor at a much lower price though.
Soldato
Some have issues some don't, I had issues because I played older games that were not 3D intensive enough to stop the GPU going in to power saving modes, it caused stutter in BF2 and a number of other titles. I guess going from AMD to nvidia and seeing how easily a fix can be implemented it makes you wonder why AMD bother implementing stuff like video converters instead of giving their users option that really make a difference.
Regarding afterburner, I was pointing out that the developer does not officially support it as issues can occur.
Regarding afterburner, I was pointing out that the developer does not officially support it as issues can occur.
Soldato
Never had any problems with drivers for either brand over the years. Don't buy graphics cards when they are first released and only put new drivers on when a game tells me I need to.
Soldato
To answer OP's question. No, not put off. Both companies are guilty of bad support in specific area's at times.
This. 5870 on it's own is brilliant, if lacking a decent control panel which apparently is in the works.
5870 cfx needs a bit of work though. They also need to support their 2gb versions better. You need the extra ram for eyefinity displays yet apart from boosting the minimums by a small amount there is little reason to get the extra 1gb.
Tried gtx 480 sli earlier in the week, nv have them working very well from my testing. Dual card scaling is better and their nv surround supports bezel correction with different screens. Something ati enabled and then disappeared in later drivers.
That said, the scaling on my 4870x2 was great when it came out and has got incrementally better over the months as the improvements arrive. Same thing has happened and probably will continue to happen to the 5 series.
Soldato
* does not support the *unofficial* overclocking code path which removes the overclocking limits.
afterburner readme said:
thats got nothing to do with setting profiles. its about removing the overclocking limit which of course AMD wont support. since the limit is 1200/1400 on a 5850 (at least it is on my asus, i dont know if others are different although they may be as mine is bios unlocked) then i cant see me ever using it and hence:
Code:
[ATIADLHAL]
EnableUnofficialOverclocking = 0
AccessibilityCheckingPeriod = 0(my afterburner .cfg file)
otherwise afterburner is totally supported when using the SDK to overclock.
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I've had
800XT
8800GT
8800GTS
GTX260
4870
5850
and now just going to a GTX465.
I've had issues on and off with both camps. In fact i can remember with my gtx260 having to use the same drivers for over 8 months as all newer releases from Nvidia had problems which I couldn;t live with. There were quite a few of us on here using 182 drivers for ages as they were the best/bug freeist.
800XT
8800GT
8800GTS
GTX260
4870
5850
and now just going to a GTX465.
I've had issues on and off with both camps. In fact i can remember with my gtx260 having to use the same drivers for over 8 months as all newer releases from Nvidia had problems which I couldn;t live with. There were quite a few of us on here using 182 drivers for ages as they were the best/bug freeist.