• Competitor rules

    Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.

Put off by ATI ?

james.miller said:
you say that as if nvidias drivers have always been better lol
Click to expand...

They have in my experience, occasionally NVidia might have one or two bugs that ATI don't but they're still overall much better.

It's madness though to go buying for example a GeForce FX rather than a Radeon 9700 Pro just for the better drivers.
 
Last edited:
I have to be honest and say that despite having had two ATi cards in a row my next one will be an nV one, simply because the Linux drivers from AMD/ATi are utterly, unacceptably appalling. I've had enough.

It's a shame, because I like the hardware a lot. But what's the bloody point if the card is going to be hamstrung by ****-poor drivers for an operating system that I spend ~90% of my computer time running?
 
Only issue i had was with the 10.6 driver when i ran cf5770's so just used 10.5's. No issues with 10.8 for me not needed to oc my card either so powerplay is not an issue. I'm more concerned with heat (and the subsequent noise this makes) and hd content form my graphics card so no top end nvidia for me this round to even considder.
 
Firstly, I have an Ati 5770 from Dec 09, bought for its DX11 abilities back then.
My 5770 experience has been better than the 4850 experience, in fact the 5770 has been very good. However, overall I see Ati as the Ford Xr3,i a kinda poor mans choice, the NVidia is BMW/Mercedes (for those who are willing to pay more for the extra performance and quality). There are indeed times when maybe Ati/Ford step ahead, but on balance the more expensive produce always is the better choice (Nvidia/Merc and BMW) for those with deeper pockets willing to pay that extra few £££ for the extra quality/performance.
As with most things, you get what you pay for is usually the case, always buy the best you can afford is not a bad way to purchase things, rather than what 'appears' to be the cheapest
 
Last edited:
Never really had any driver problems that running a driver cleaner couldn't fix, but every time I go ATi I seem to get a duff card that craps out in a few months (happened 4 times). Every nVidia card i've had has lasted years so they have my goodwill.

When I finally find a game that my 8800GTX can't handle, or it dies, I'll just put in whatever is best bang for buck at around £200, so maybe it'll be 5th time lucky with ATi.
 
JRS said:
I have to be honest and say that despite having had two ATi cards in a row my next one will be an nV one, simply because the Linux drivers from AMD/ATi are utterly, unacceptably appalling. I've had enough.

It's a shame, because I like the hardware a lot. But what's the bloody point if the card is going to be hamstrung by ****-poor drivers for an operating system that I spend ~90% of my computer time running?
Click to expand...

Weren't ATi meant to be open-sourcing their drivers around 3 years ago? Did they renege, or not keep them up to date?
 
DarrenM343 said:
Firstly, I have an Ati 5770 from Dec 09, bought for its DX11 abilities back then.
My 5770 experience has been better than the 4850 experience, in fact the 5770 has been very good. However, overall I see Ati as the Ford Xr3,i a kinda poor mans choice, the NVidia is BMW/Mercedes (for those who are willing to pay more for the extra performance and quality). There are indeed times when maybe Ati/Ford step ahead, but on balance the more expensive produce always is the better choice (Nvidia/Merc and BMW) for those with deeper pockets willing to pay that extra few £££ for the extra quality/performance.
As with most things, you get what you pay for is usually the case, always buy the best you can afford is not a bad way to purchase things, rather than what 'appears' to be the cheapest
Click to expand...

That isn't actually true. It'd be true if what the nVidia fanboys said about nVidia was true, but it's unfortunately not. Things such as:

"you never have problems with nVidia"
"you always have trouble with ATi"
"nVidia just works"
"nVidia means better quality"
"You never have driver problems with nVidia, their drivers just work"
"nVidia's products aren't expensive, they're just premium products"
"SLi Just works"
"ATi cards stutter, nVidia ones don't"
"nVidia cards always have better minimum FPS even if the ATi card has faster averages"

It's all nonsense. With nVidia, you don't pay more for better quality, you pay more because it costs them a lot more to make their products and they have to price them higher to avoid making a loss. If they continue with they way they're being, they will collapse. It's really not a case of you get what you pay for.
 
DarrenM343 said:
Firstly, I have an Ati 5770 from Dec 09, bought for its DX11 abilities back then.
My 5770 experience has been better than the 4850 experience, in fact the 5770 has been very good. However, overall I see Ati as the Ford Xr3,i a kinda poor mans choice, the NVidia is BMW/Mercedes (for those who are willing to pay more for the extra performance and quality). There are indeed times when maybe Ati/Ford step ahead, but on balance the more expensive produce always is the better choice (Nvidia/Merc and BMW) for those with deeper pockets willing to pay that extra few £££ for the extra quality/performance.
As with most things, you get what you pay for is usually the case, always buy the best you can afford is not a bad way to purchase things, rather than what 'appears' to be the cheapest
Click to expand...

Isn't Nvidia's pricing better value at the mo?
 
james.miller said:
you never owned an 8800gtx when they were released then.
Click to expand...

In my experience, any driver issues, problems or anything negative associated with nVidia is dismissed as either nonsense/exaggerations or ignored like it never happened. It's really tiresome seeing the same people again and again pretend nVidia is some sort of messiah to the graphics card world and can do no wrong when they're more the complete opposite.
 
kylew said:
In my experience, any driver issues, problems or anything negative associated with nVidia is dismissed as either nonsense/exaggerations or ignored like it never happened. It's really tiresome seeing the same people again and again pretend nVidia is some sort of messiah to the graphics card world and can do no wrong when they're more the complete opposite.
Click to expand...

par for the course really. you'll get people who switch allegiance like the wind, and people who just see it for what it is. I didnt own my 8800gtx from launch but i did buy it a few months later (was still £330). the issues people were having around that time, especially with vista, were utterly atrocious. im talking the worst drivers I've ever seen for any gpu ever. but if you listens to this lot, those issues that were causing bsod's left right and center, missing textures and what not, were entirely fictional. lol.

Please note, i'm not using this as an excuse to complain about nvidia now, or a reason to push ATi in some sort of brand allegiance. Im simply saying that Nvidia have been just as bad and indeed FAR worse than Ati ever have. To say otherwise is frankly ******.
 
Last edited:
james.miller said:
par for the course really. you'll get people who switch allegiance like the wind, and people who just see it for what it is. I didnt own my 8800gtx from launch but i did buy it a few months later (was still £330). the issues people were having around that time, especially with vista, were utterly atrocious. im talking the worst drivers I've ever seen for any gpu ever. but if you listens to this lot, those issues that were causing bsod's left right and center, missing textures and what not, were entirely fictional. lol.

Please note, i'm not using this as an excuse to complain about nvidia now, or a reason to push ATi in some sort of brand allegiance. Im simply saying that Nvidia have been just as bad and indeed FAR worse than Ati ever have. To say otherwise is frankly ******.
Click to expand...

i dont think there was a single piece of hardware that didn't initially have driver issues on Vista.
 
james.miller said:
Please note, i'm not using this as an excuse to complain about nvidia now, or a reason to push ATi in some sort of brand allegiance. Im simply saying that Nvidia have been just as bad and indeed FAR worse than Ati ever have. To say otherwise is frankly ******.
Click to expand...

There's a huge amount of people on these forums that cannot understand that concept. You make a negative comment about nVidia, you become an ATi fanboy. I really can't wait until a third major graphics card manufacturer turns up, because this lot aren't going to know what to say about people being negative about nVidia, suddenly they won't be able to call them ATi fanboys (assuming said person isn't fawning over ATi while complaining about nVidia).
 
NZXT30 said:
i dont think there was a single piece of hardware that didn't initially have driver issues on Vista.
Click to expand...

There was, there was a lot of hardware that worked perfectly well with Vista. It was an nVidia problem, It's okay, nVidia are allowed to have problems, just like every other hardware manufacturer is likely to have, let's not try to pretend it wasn't their problem, yeah? Windows Vista worked fine for me from release up until I started using Windows 7 Betas.
 
Only reason I haven't gone to nvidia from my 5870 is heat, noise and more importantly power issues with the current fermi crop. I'd have to upgrade my 520W corsair PSU to even dream of a 480, pushing the cost up even further (well over £400)
 
James J said:
Only reason I haven't gone to nvidia from my 5870 is heat, noise and more importantly power issues with the current fermi crop. I'd have to upgrade my 520W corsair PSU to even dream of a 480, pushing the cost up even further (well over £400)
Click to expand...

I'm not willing to buy nVidia until they clean up their ways, and conveniently enough for me, ATi are consistently offering better value for the level of performance I want. The heat is a problem though too, I couldn't handle the heat output of a GTX470 or 480, my room's hot enough as it is. But, disliking nVidia suddenly means I'm in love with ATi.
 
Last edited:
The only thing the •••••• me off with my ati setup at the moment is powerplay, if ATI just added an option to disable this on my xfire setup I would be totally happy.
Hopefully when they release 10.9 this option will be there. Can't see it tho, but it would be a nice sweetener to be offered the month before their new card release.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom