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QA Consultants concludes that AMD has the most stable graphics driver in the industry.
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Why on earth would Nvidia pay for commission that they coudln't publish because of their own NDA?
I don;t think people are discrediting the company per say, only this particular test and the way the results were presented by AMD.
Their own result show no real difference between the gaming products. The non-gaming products were using the wrong drivers, that is just a fact.
And lastly, how many stduies did AMD commission that showed AMD's drivers were worse, but AMD din; publish them? You doin\'t know, only AMD does.
Soldato
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Inception! You must go deeper...bring popcorn.
Because they would want it to look like that they, out of the goodness of their own heart, simply did it because...it was fun to do.
The ball is in Nvidia's court at this point. Will it only be "you used the wrong drivers" or will they set out to prove that it's not the case with some future driver?
Because as far as I know the drivers you want them to use for Nvidia would provide the same results as the drivers used. There is no data to refute it otherwise.
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Caporegime
Ok. I had enough with some of you in here, trying to discredit the company's results and credibility because it was paid by AMD to do the job.
Is not some small unknown company....
Here is the list of that company partners
https://qaconsultants.com/
And clients.
https://qaconsultants.com/client-success/
Do you expect all the above to pay them to produce bad QA results?
Since the US and Canadian governments also uses them,I wonder if the report is orientated more towards investors or AMD trying to gain some governmental contracts.
Edit!!
WTF,the US Air Force also uses them. That is some serious security clearance there!
That should be could not would - the newer driver is usually recommended for stable use with 1803 and was out in time for this test - it is also interesting that if they set out to test driver stability they didn't do an analysis of both ODE and QNF drivers on Quadro. We don't know it would have produced any different results but there is enough to suggest it would but we don't know because they didn't try it even though it was out at the time.
Looking at their report they seem to have approached it like some reviewers do when testing thermal paste where they use the same application method, say spreading, for "consistency" while some pastes will explicitly tell you to use a specific application method for best results so if you are trying to present as to which gives the best results then you should be using the approach for each that works best - they've explicitly taken drivers from a pre-determined point in time under some kind of perception that this is "consistent" while using a newer OS update that has known issues with some drivers before that point.
Their conclusion is also very brief and quite subjective without more of a breakdown:
"based on our testing of the aforementioned 12 GPUs, we believe that AMD has the most stable graphics driver in the industry."
If you are doing testing professionally like that and a card like the P600 is forever falling over you'd think they'd take a deeper look at it - for instance try replacing the card with another of the exact same model to see if that exhibits the same behaviour, try a different driver, double check all settings and so on and add that to their report - they did atleast swap the GPUs around at day 7 as to which system they were in to try and reduce any per-system related problems but that seems to have been about as deep as any real objectivity went.
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Can you show me in the release notes of the 1803 drivers where the OP was addressed?
Soldato
Relax. DP is defending Nvidia even on the GT1030 ram issue, has defended NV also to the death with the GTX970 issues.
But is his job to defend Nvidia with such vigour in this forum.
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Now lets not gloss over it. Share
"You're waiting for a train. A train that will take you far away. You know where you hope the train will take you, but you can't know for sure. Yet it doesn't matter. Now, tell me why?"
Oh that's explains it, thanks.Relax. DP is defending Nvidia even on the GT1030 ram issue, has defended NV also to the death with the GTX970 issues.
But is his job to defend Nvidia with such vigour in this forum.
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Relax. DP is defending Nvidia even on the GT1030 ram issue, has defended NV also to the death with the GTX970 issues.
But is his job to defend Nvidia with such vigour in this forum.
Where have I defended Nvidia on the 1030 ram issue?
If you are just going to blatantly lie on this forum then your posts are simply not welcome. Post the evidence or retract.
.if you keep lying like that then I hope the mods William suspend your access to the forum
Soldato
Hold a sec I will find your post.
Edit :
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31947752/
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31948006/
Want me to pick up your post about the 4K HDR Gsync monitors also?
nVidia haven't bothered to update the text but that doesn't mean the fixes aren't there - they don't list every fix or change. Those using those systems will know of the problems with 1803.
"You're waiting for a train. A train that will take you far away. You know where you hope the train will take you, but you can't know for sure. Yet it doesn't matter. Now, tell me why?"
Childish and pointless - look at the description for the ODE drivers - if you are testing for stability it is a good idea to use the latest version released for that purpose.
EDIT: Come to think about it - it is also an odd choice of Windows 10 version for testing on a workstation setup - currently 1703 or 1607 are the servicing branches for Business use - for a setup like that you'd tend to be on the longer stable release schedule than the faster ones.
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That isn't defending nVidia over the 1030 - that is the problem with so many people around here they see everything to tribally (not to say I don't do it myself on occasion) - its a commentary about people's perspectives.
Caporegime
Not sure what I am missing but DPs posts were not defending the 1030 VRAM issue?
No but he wasn't jumping on the bandwagon bashing it, might have said something that slightly implies a negative towards AMD and therefore he was defending it...
TBH, nvidia has multiple times more "wrong doings" than AMD or ATi. He just said that nvidia was allowed to do wrong things. Which is, yes, he was defending them, but indirectly.
There should be a manufacturing problem, maybe the RAM quantities aren't enough for the lower-tiers graphics cards, so that's why they split the production.
But the end user must be aware that going from GDDR5 at 72GB/s bandwidth to DDR3 at 29GB/s will cause a huge performance drop.
I just hope there is also a corresponding price reduction there involved, too.
So you got absolutely nothing then. I would appreciate an apology.
And what has gsyb 4k got to do with anything?
Its DDR4 not 3 - oh look I'm defending it by pointing out an inaccuracy!
But yeah I agree they should not have used the same naming.
For the record, I think what Nvidia have done with the 1030 is terrible.
What Nvidia did with the 1050 4gb is reasonable. The 3gb will stop being produced and the 4gb Will be the same price and faster most of the time, occasionally slower but will have a longer life and you get 33% more vram
What Nvidia did with the 1050 4gb is reasonable. The 3gb will stop being produced and the 4gb Will be the same price and faster most of the time, occasionally slower but will have a longer life and you get 33% more vram