Quest 2, Which WiFi6 Router?

andybird123 said:
It's called bridging and yes it's quite simple to setup. I don't have mobo wifi6 though, it'll be a pcie card.
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I thought bridging was a direct connection between 2 access points used to extend wifi range? What I'm talking about is having your PC create a completely independent wifi6 network which you would connect your quest to for direct streaming direct from PC.

Your PC would still be connected to the existing network its already on, as would all your other devices.

I don't know much (anything really) about networking and its hard to find the information in laymans terms. I know what I want to achieve but don't know how.
 
danlightbulb said:
I don't quite understand these recent videos.

Guy Godin has made VD work with Quest 2. Over wifi6, it connected at 1200 mbps compared to 866 mbps over 5GHz wifi.

Yet the data rate is still capped at 150 mbps (its not clear whether this will be a future update to VD or not).

Latency as you say is similar between the two.

But presumably both these wifi6 routers are connected over normal 1 Gbps ethernet.

Really needs more examination.

What if you use 2.5G ethernet + wifi 6?
What if you use a direct to motherboard wifi6 and eliminate ethernet completely?
Is Guy Godin going to improve the data rate?


90Hz is working over VD, yet there now seems to be a statement saying Quest 2 will be 72 Hz upon release. Do they mean 72 Hz with VD, or just with native apps and Link (which we already know are limited to 72 Hz).

i don't think they are being very clear in these recent vids.
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Did they say that VD is also capped at 150mbps? I must have missed that. It'll be capped at that for Quest 1, but I would imagine higher for quest 2.

Quest 2 will not be able to use 1200mbps, the XR2 chip won't be good enough to decode that much information (the quest chip could only decode about 100-150mbps I believe), so there's a limit on useful bandwidth amounts.
 
@Unseul Im sure I heard one of them say in the video that it was still capped at 150 yeah. Can't pinpoint it now.


Anyway I have drawn a picture of what Im thinking re the networking thing.

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So the PC needs to be part of both network 1 (wired ethernet to the router) and network 2 where it IS the router.

i just don't know if this works?
 
danlightbulb said:
@Unseul Im sure I heard one of them say in the video that it was still capped at 150 yeah. Can't pinpoint it now.


Anyway I have drawn a picture of what Im thinking re the networking thing.

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So the PC needs to be part of both network 1 (wired ethernet to the router) and network 2 where it IS the router.

i just don't know if this works?
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If you have a usb WiFi stick laying about you can test it - you just create a WiFi hotspot in Windows 10 and have the quest connect to it
 
I don't unfortunately, ive always just connected over ethernet and my pc doesn't have built in wifi.


Its all pointless if the Q2 connects well under the 1Gbps limit of ethernet anyway and wifi6 makes little difference. I just thought it would be a nice neat solution, and saves buying a new wifi6 router.

Who knows, facebook may come out with a dedicated dongle? But probably not till next year if it does happen.
 
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danlightbulb said:
Im asking this same question currently in the networking forum.

I don't understand how a 1Gbps ethernet connection, which is then "wifi'd" by the router, can be faster than a wifi6 signal attached directly to your motherboard.

PC --> ethernet cable --> wireless router wifi6 aerial --> Quest2
PC --> internal wifi6 aerial --> Quest 2

How can the first one be better?
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I assume the latency figures seen on the VD streamer app are in part due to the wifi connection from the router to the quest. I wonder does both ends (PC and quest) using wifi increase the latency, for reasons I can not imagine. Doesn't make sense to me either.

It is possible that the answer previously given was based on buying a cheap add-in card that introduced a lot of latency. It may be the case that a modern motherboard with wifi capability might be better. Then again, as also implied upthread, maybe win10 is much poorer acting as a wifi router than a dedicated router.

When I get my Quest2, I'll probably give it a go, I've the Tomahawk X570 motherboard.
 
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tangey said:
I assume the latency figures seen on the VD streamer app are in part due to the wifi connection from the router to the quest. I wonder does both ends (PC and quest) using wifi increase the latency, for reasons I can not imagine. Doesn't make sense to me either.

It is possible that the answer previously given was based on buying a cheap add-in card that introduced a lot of latency. It may be the case that a modern motherboard with wifi capability might be better. Then again, as also implied upthread, maybe win10 is much poorer acting as a wifi router than a dedicated router.

When I get my Quest2, I'll probably give it a go, I've the Tomahawk X570 motherboard.
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That board is a 2.5G ethernet board. So the connnection speed between the motherboard itself and its own on board ethernet/wifi components must be at least 2.5G. That should be immediately better than gigabit ethernet, AND there is no cable linking the hardware - its a direct circuit board connection. There must also be a piece of hardware on the board running the wifi hardware, its not something a CPU natively does. Does it even have an impact in windows, which already runs a normal ethernet or wifi connection anyway, to the existing network? Logic dictates this should surely be a faster scenario but whether that is correct who knows.
 
danlightbulb said:
That board is a 2.5G ethernet board. So the connnection speed between the motherboard itself and its own on board ethernet/wifi components must be at least 2.5G. That should be immediately better than gigabit ethernet, AND there is no cable linking the hardware - its a direct circuit board connection. There must also be a piece of hardware on the board running the wifi hardware, its not something a CPU natively does. Does it even have an impact in windows, which already runs a normal ethernet or wifi connection anyway, to the existing network? Logic dictates this should surely be a faster scenario but whether that is correct who knows.
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How much latency does a cable introduce though? I doubt it's very much at all. And again, a router is dedicated hardware, more substantial than what a Wifi enabled motherboard will supply, or a pcie card, both of which will be focusing more on receiving large amounts of data than deliberately streaming it to another device.
 
I own the TP-Link VR900 which does up to 1300Mbps over 5GHz. It seems to handle streaming Steam games over the network without stutters fine.
i think as long as you have a good router rather than the typcial one you get from your ISP, then you should be good to go.
 
danlightbulb said:
That board is a 2.5G ethernet board. So the connnection speed between the motherboard itself and its own on board ethernet/wifi components must be at least 2.5G. That should be immediately better than gigabit ethernet, AND there is no cable linking the hardware - its a direct circuit board connection. There must also be a piece of hardware on the board running the wifi hardware, its not something a CPU natively does. Does it even have an impact in windows, which already runs a normal ethernet or wifi connection anyway, to the existing network? Logic dictates this should surely be a faster scenario but whether that is correct who knows.
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I don't know any of the answers to the above, except in regard to "operating normal ethernet", in that mode the router provides the PC with an IP address and optionally the address of a DNS, and I'm sure lots of other things. With a PC wifi -> Quest2 wifi, the PC will have to do those things for the quest. Zero experience as to whether that's significant.

As I mentioned on the network forum, an uncertainty that I have is how do you tell the VD PC streamer software to look on the wifi network for the quest2, and not the ethernet network (assuming both are active), either of which would be possible to have a quest on it ? I don't know if that's a configurable on VD.
 
danlightbulb said:
@Unseul
Anyway I have drawn a picture of what Im thinking re the networking thing.

So the PC needs to be part of both network 1 (wired ethernet to the router) and network 2 where it IS the router.

i just don't know if this works?
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Yeah that should be fine, the adhoc wifi just acts as an access point to the same network, you don't need two completely different subnets and your primary router can still be in charge of DHCP. You seem to be thinking of them as two completely different networks when in fact it's just two different points of access to the same network.

As for perf differences between dedicated ad hoc/dedicated router, who knows. I imagine that depends greatly upon the exact hardware in question... The proof is in the pudding, so try the ad hoc and if you aren't getting the performance you want then try a dedicated router.
 
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tangey said:
I don't know any of the answers to the above, except in regard to "operating normal ethernet", in that mode the router provides the PC with an IP address and optionally the address of a DNS, and I'm sure lots of other things. With a PC wifi -> Quest2 wifi, the PC will have to do those things for the quest. Zero experience as to whether that's significant.

As I mentioned on the network forum, an uncertainty that I have is how do you tell the VD PC streamer software to look on the wifi network for the quest2, and not the ethernet network (assuming both are active), either of which would be possible to have a quest on it ? I don't know if that's a configurable on VD.
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when you create a hotspot it just connects everything to the same network - there is a windows 10 bug where sometimes after an update you have to re-create the bridge manually but again the instructions are online, but even just deleting the hotspot and recreating it should sort that out at the same time, its like when you plug in another router as an access point you just disable DHCP on the new router it give it the IP address of the primary router as the DHCP server, you don't create 2 separate networks
 
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If created as a hotspot/access point on the same network, does the PC stream directly to the Quest though, or would it try and stream via the original router and back again, negating the (potential, unproven) benefit I think might exist by having a direct connection?

I.e if the video stream goes from PC through the ethernet cable to router, back through ethernet cable to PC to then be broadcast over its wifi6, then that is adding complexity not reducing it.
 
danlightbulb said:
@Zeeflyboy @andybird123

If created as a hotspot/access point on the same network, does the PC stream directly to the Quest though, or would it try and stream via the original router and back again, negating the (potential, unproven) benefit I think might exist by having a direct connection?

I.e if the video stream goes from PC through the ethernet cable to router, back through ethernet cable to PC to then be broadcast over its wifi6, then that is adding complexity not reducing it.
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when you create a hotspot on your phone, does your laptop suddenly have a simcard and 4g connection to communicate with a mobile tower? No, the hotspot means the device communicates directly with the hotspot, THEN routes the communication to where it needs to go, in the case of VD talking to a quest headset the communication goes to the local host (PC), it doesn't need to go anywhere else and connecting to a hotspot doesn't mean the device goes off and tries to find another router to communicate with over wifi, assuming you name your hotspot something different (SSID)

if you are just adding access points to a network you can give them all the same SSID to allow roaming, but if you want a particular device to access through a specific access point then you name them different and let the device (quest) connect to that specific access point (your PC) - your PC will only route traffic to the router if that device (quest) is trying to access the internet

you would do the same if you were using a new router for the quest - connect the new router by cable to the old router, cable from new router to PC, then get the quest to connect to the new router via wifi
 
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Gericool said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV67AS4_TLs&t=1s&ab_channel=MacInVR

Check this video about PCIe or Router and VD. Godin´s rigth.
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I'm really hoping my current mesh network is the thing for wireless quest 2. Can't see anything that will work for the way I need it. Pc is 8 meters from my play space except when iracing in my racing rig which is 2 meters from the pc. The pc has ethernet to the router then goes to bt whole home WiFi disc out to the front room which has a disc in it. Fingers crossed its good enough
 
I'm ready to pull the trigger on the quest2 right now,will be better for my grandchildren who adore Beat sabre.I play mainly racing game's,so am sat down,can't be doing with all the jigging around at my age,66.
What i'm unsure about is wifi 6,and how will/does it work with the Quest,my motherboard has it built in,is this a help,or a hindrance ?
 
roddypoddy said:
I'm ready to pull the trigger on the quest2 right now,will be better for my grandchildren who adore Beat sabre.I play mainly racing game's,so am sat down,can't be doing with all the jigging around at my age,66.
What i'm unsure about is wifi 6,and how will/does it work with the Quest,my motherboard has it built in,is this a help,or a hindrance ?
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Wifi 6 is only of interest if you're streaming PC games to the headset, or possibly playing a lot of MP experiences. Even then it might not make much difference if you already have a decent 5ghz router and a good wifi signal.

If you're playing racing games and sitting down then a link cable would be more reliable and is easy to manage.
 
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