Questions - Diesel engine and transmission / gearbox reliability circa 2014-2019 -BMW - Mercedes - Audi ( on small hatchback or coupe models)

Robbo said:
Any good to you? Great colour. Nothing special spec wise but they aren't bad as standard.

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That's too over budget unfortunately. I'm looking on cars up to around £14,500 or maybe at a push £14,700.

Given that I have just shelled out £1350 for a new clutch on my 1 series I don't want to up the budget to £16k even though I could afford it. I don't want to . As I am on a limit..

I know there are 420d grand coupes on the market for my budget

Other than better wheels, a bigger engine. I'm failing to see what the benefits are for me personally, the inside looks the same , the nav screen size is the same, that one linked is minus flappy paddle gear shifting as an option.

I don't need a bigger engined car. Iv been driving x20s for about 8 years now they have more than enough power for me.

It's nice but I don't think it's worth me upping my budget by £3k for. .
I'd rather save that money for servicing costs


When was the LCI facelift in 2017 ?if I recall
 
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DJMK4 said:
I dont need a 430d. And there Is nothing wrong with the 420d grand coupe. What exactly has the 430d got ? I don't want a bigger engined car .

And it's not a cheap model

A cheap model would have a small display, no flappy paddle etc
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The bigger screen is standard fit on the M Sport. It's one of the main benefits of the 4 Series over the 3 Series otherwise the 3 Series would be a better buy.
 
Armageus said:
But it's got the better engine and is an approved used.

You get what you pay for
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I'm not denying it doesn't look good but I have set myself a limit and I don't want to go above it unfortunately.

If a 430d comes in the bracket I'm looking in, I'd consider it but I'd assume it would be higher tax cost (not checked) also higher insurance group again not checked. All of these I don't really need...

I find the 2 litre engines usually in BMW diesels have good enough power and torque for what I want .

With regards to engine noise. I'd have to sit a 420d Vs 430d side by side and listen for myself.
 
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DJMK4 said:
I'm going to keep it as a commuter as I dont have anything at the moment but I am actively looking and almost to a point where if I see it I'll buy if it checks the boxes..

I don't think I would want to put all bets on 1 series..it could go on , it could have a Conrod go or bottom end.. it could be fine.. it feels much smoother to drive. And there is a lot less noise coming from the engine bay than before which was obviously clutch and flywheel judder..

Timing chain - it's a 2010 and I have oil.filter serviced it every 7k. Can't sence any noise

Who knows ,

I done the same with my old 3 series BMW but unfortunately the bottom end of the engine went at 169k



Is this worth looking at ? Spoke to them today

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3 months Warrenty .
Could extend to 6 months At 499 unless I try haggle them to do 6 months included
Or 12 months £800 Warrenty
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Paid £499 for a two year gold warranty from Warranty Solutions on a 2015 435i
 
barmyllama said:
Paid £499 for a two year gold warranty from Warranty Solutions on a 2015 435i
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Thanks, ill take a look


I think the wording you need to be careful of, whilst they advertise covering things like engine, clutch etc, and turbos, they they go on to wording stating some of the elements of these are not covered

e.g.




then they state this


WSG CC V2.5 17.2.2023
Whilst your warranty includes a huge range of components, there are naturally some
parts and faults that we just can’t cover, as shown below. They’re mainly bodywork, trim,
general maintenance and service items.
Specific part or fault type exclusions
8 Service and consumable items - including but not limited to injectors (unless you
have our Platinum plan), brake pads & discs, brake drums, tyres, bulbs, spark plugs,
fuses, brake & clutch friction material, burnt or worn out clutch components, seized
brake callipers, any seized components, air con recharging, gaskets (excluding head
gaskets), hoses & pipes, all blockages, perishable rubber items, oil or fluid leaks
(unless you have our Platinum plan), fuel tanks and clearing of fuel lines, connectors,
air bags, auxiliary drive belts, hardware i.e. bolts and fixings.
8 Engine and turbo - sprockets, burnt valves and valve seats, cracked blocks or cylinder
heads, cylinder head skimming or refacing, burnt / carbonised valves or removal of carbon
deposits, core plugs, cambelt / timing chain damage if the cambelt / timing chain and
associated parts haven’t been replaced inline with the manufacturer’s recommendations.
8 Steering - leaks.
8 Electrical or electronic items - heating elements, glow plugs, connectors / terminals,
wiring, batteries (unless you have our Platinum plan), software and software updates,
reprogramming or adjustments, tracker systems, head up unit display, radio recoding
and light units.
8 Electric / hybrid vehicle - electric charging cable / socket, wiring and HV cabling,
HV battery housing, HV cells / modules and HV battery cooling and venting.
8 Bodywork and trim - paintwork, bodywork, chassis, interior, seats, upholstery, fabric
roofs, panoramic sunroof, wheels, glass, air vents, locks and catches.
8 Negligence or driver abuse - i.e. incorrect or insufficient oils or lubricants / fluids and
overheating.
8 Ancillary items - water ingress, corrosion or oxidisation, faulty workmanship or parts,
manufacturer recalls, accidental damage to radiator and A/C condenser, exhaust systems,
exhaust manifolds, emissions, carbon build-up, repairs to rectify issues such as high oil
consumption or poor fuel economy, oil or fluid contamination including staining or misting,
sludge / silt or other waste, waste disposal, key blades, sealing materials and compounds
 
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DJMK4 said:
Thanks, ill take a look


I think the wording you need to be careful of, whilst they advertise covering things like engine, clutch etc, and turbos, they they go on to wording stating some of the elements of these are not covered

e.g.




then they state this


WSG CC V2.5 17.2.2023
Whilst your warranty includes a huge range of components, there are naturally some
parts and faults that we just can’t cover, as shown below. They’re mainly bodywork, trim,
general maintenance and service items.
Specific part or fault type exclusions
8 Service and consumable items - including but not limited to injectors (unless you
have our Platinum plan), brake pads & discs, brake drums, tyres, bulbs, spark plugs,
fuses, brake & clutch friction material, burnt or worn out clutch components, seized
brake callipers, any seized components, air con recharging, gaskets (excluding head
gaskets), hoses & pipes, all blockages, perishable rubber items, oil or fluid leaks
(unless you have our Platinum plan), fuel tanks and clearing of fuel lines, connectors,
air bags, auxiliary drive belts, hardware i.e. bolts and fixings.
8 Engine and turbo - sprockets, burnt valves and valve seats, cracked blocks or cylinder
heads, cylinder head skimming or refacing, burnt / carbonised valves or removal of carbon
deposits, core plugs, cambelt / timing chain damage if the cambelt / timing chain and
associated parts haven’t been replaced inline with the manufacturer’s recommendations.
8 Steering - leaks.
8 Electrical or electronic items - heating elements, glow plugs, connectors / terminals,
wiring, batteries (unless you have our Platinum plan), software and software updates,
reprogramming or adjustments, tracker systems, head up unit display, radio recoding
and light units.
8 Electric / hybrid vehicle - electric charging cable / socket, wiring and HV cabling,
HV battery housing, HV cells / modules and HV battery cooling and venting.
8 Bodywork and trim - paintwork, bodywork, chassis, interior, seats, upholstery, fabric
roofs, panoramic sunroof, wheels, glass, air vents, locks and catches.
8 Negligence or driver abuse - i.e. incorrect or insufficient oils or lubricants / fluids and
overheating.
8 Ancillary items - water ingress, corrosion or oxidisation, faulty workmanship or parts,
manufacturer recalls, accidental damage to radiator and A/C condenser, exhaust systems,
exhaust manifolds, emissions, carbon build-up, repairs to rectify issues such as high oil
consumption or poor fuel economy, oil or fluid contamination including staining or misting,
sludge / silt or other waste, waste disposal, key blades, sealing materials and compounds
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I think this is why a lot of people on this forum (myself included) will only accept a BMW Warranty (approved used or new) because it just removes any wiggle room or misinterpretation of the clauses in the policy. Yes it's more money but considering the cost to repair what may appear even 'basic' things on a modern BMW can get stupid quite quickly it just acts as piece of mind rather than being worried that it may or may not be covered.
 
DJMK4 said:
Thanks, ill take a look


I think the wording you need to be careful of, whilst they advertise covering things like engine, clutch etc, and turbos, they they go on to wording stating some of the elements of these are not covered

e.g.




then they state this


WSG CC V2.5 17.2.2023
Whilst your warranty includes a huge range of components, there are naturally some
parts and faults that we just can’t cover, as shown below. They’re mainly bodywork, trim,
general maintenance and service items.
Specific part or fault type exclusions
8 Service and consumable items - including but not limited to injectors (unless you
have our Platinum plan), brake pads & discs, brake drums, tyres, bulbs, spark plugs,
fuses, brake & clutch friction material, burnt or worn out clutch components, seized
brake callipers, any seized components, air con recharging, gaskets (excluding head
gaskets), hoses & pipes, all blockages, perishable rubber items, oil or fluid leaks
(unless you have our Platinum plan), fuel tanks and clearing of fuel lines, connectors,
air bags, auxiliary drive belts, hardware i.e. bolts and fixings.
8 Engine and turbo - sprockets, burnt valves and valve seats, cracked blocks or cylinder
heads, cylinder head skimming or refacing, burnt / carbonised valves or removal of carbon
deposits, core plugs, cambelt / timing chain damage if the cambelt / timing chain and
associated parts haven’t been replaced inline with the manufacturer’s recommendations.
8 Steering - leaks.
8 Electrical or electronic items - heating elements, glow plugs, connectors / terminals,
wiring, batteries (unless you have our Platinum plan), software and software updates,
reprogramming or adjustments, tracker systems, head up unit display, radio recoding
and light units.
8 Electric / hybrid vehicle - electric charging cable / socket, wiring and HV cabling,
HV battery housing, HV cells / modules and HV battery cooling and venting.
8 Bodywork and trim - paintwork, bodywork, chassis, interior, seats, upholstery, fabric
roofs, panoramic sunroof, wheels, glass, air vents, locks and catches.
8 Negligence or driver abuse - i.e. incorrect or insufficient oils or lubricants / fluids and
overheating.
8 Ancillary items - water ingress, corrosion or oxidisation, faulty workmanship or parts,
manufacturer recalls, accidental damage to radiator and A/C condenser, exhaust systems,
exhaust manifolds, emissions, carbon build-up, repairs to rectify issues such as high oil
consumption or poor fuel economy, oil or fluid contamination including staining or misting,
sludge / silt or other waste, waste disposal, key blades, sealing materials and compounds
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No different to any other warranty really and no one is making you buy one.

Most of those uncovered items I wouldn't expect to be covered anyway. Nor would any car dealer cover them with their own warranty.
 
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DJMK4 said:
Worth checking out if i can sort out extended warrenty ?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156449254079?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=UAjkT_LgTeW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=1TQ611x3Q56&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=FB_MSG

Auto
Facelift model
pronav
3 months warrenty standard, could extend with them or through a 3rd party
1 owner
62k miles
Listed for £13,995.00
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Personally it'd be a no.

If the dealer is pushing an "included" 3 month warranty as opposed to resolving issues themselves within the first 3 months (which are your basic consumer rights), then I don't see what value the dealer is adding - you may as well buy from a private seller.
 
Armageus said:
Personally it'd be a no.

If the dealer is pushing an "included" 3 month warranty as opposed to resolving issues themselves within the first 3 months (which are your basic consumer rights), then I don't see what value the dealer is adding - you may as well buy from a private seller.
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I wouldnt want them to fix the issue themselves,

Given i would have to drive the car back to wolverhampton then wait for them to sort it, id prefer it being done an any AA approved garage to be honest under warrenty
 
DJMK4 said:
I wouldnt want them to fix the issue themselves,

Given i would have to drive the car back to wolverhampton then wait for them to sort it, id prefer it being done an any AA approved garage to be honest under warrenty
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So you may as well save yourself some money, buy a car privately and then buy your own crap warranty that probably won't cover anything anyway :confused:

You are also kind of missing the point in that essentially they are just skimping on your consumer rights, and making you pay for the repair by way of the "included" warranty (that you will be paying for)
 
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Armageus said:
So you may as well save yourself some money, buy a car privately and then buy your own crap warranty that probably won't cover anything anyway :confused:

You are also kind of missing the point in that essentially they are just skimping on your consumer rights, and making you pay for the repair by way of the "included" warranty (that you will be paying for)
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Why would i be paying for it ?

Warrenty is warrenty - Meaning, that the car would be repaired , by the warrenty covered in the first 3 months, not by me
 
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