Questions on racism
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Gilly said:
what is the point of BB then?
To curtail the thoughts of others. To only allow them to talk about certain "safe" subjects?
Once you curtail the speech of those in the show the show becomes very bland. Last years celebrity show was the worst ever hype over nothing at all. Even the person who was supposed to be offended wasn't. Bullying yes, victimisation yes, racism no.
If you want to see racism in action look at south africas apartheid, nazi germany, KKK.
Mentioning a word in the context of a song and being branded a racist because of it is really demeaning the word racist. Eventually we'll all be racist and the word will have no value.
the-void said:
EDIT: Depth wasn't really saying it was just the word.
EDIT2: Actually I take this back, maybe he is. I just thought his point was just that it doesn't really make sense to be racist to your own race, therefore couldn't possibly be bad for her to say it.
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Runbalk said:
That's my point. So why is it wrong for Emily to say that word just because she isn't black if she wasn't actually being racist when saying it?
Or does saying the word automatically make you racist? hence my thread.
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the-void said:
yes I totally agree.
At my school we didn't have any other skin colours apart from white. No black, aisians, pakis, chinkys etc.
I get called scotch and jock a lot here in Belgium by English mates (usually Londoners) but hey what ya gonna do ? It rolls off the tounge easier than scottish.
Still the worst is french speakers calling me l'anglais
which should be a sackable offense 
I remember the first Indian kid who joined our class in primary. Other kids teased him (NEVER as far as I can remember about his skin colour directly or indirectly but about his name which was Kuwant most kids used to replace the t with a k as an insult. Don't ever remember him being called a **** or foreigner or anything else.
the-void said:
Sorry I took it back - I made another edit above (I can be very tactless). Anyway, it was wrong of Emily to say it in THAT particular context, because of the tactless manner she said it in - she didn't take into account how it would make Charlie feel. This is one of those social skills everyone should have really - one which, imo, girls are generally better at. It's about not having to dig yourself out of a hole.
Emily as been very silly a word like "Ni****" is hard to just slip out but i don't believe she meant it in a racist way. As to BB's actions what can they do? there damned if they do and damned if they don't, just a shame really as Emily was a good charactor 
Of cause the tragedy in all this is we lose Emily's lovely bum
I'm a white trash honkey btw, all you white people can call me that but i don't wan't any black people saying it or i'll scream racism
Of cause the tragedy in all this is we lose Emily's lovely bum
I'm a white trash honkey btw, all you white people can call me that but i don't wan't any black people saying it or i'll scream racism
Helium_Junkie said:
Well basically its the intention behind the word, if a random white or black guy was to call me a **** on the street then I and most Pakistanis would consider that to be a racist slur and for good reason. If a close m8 says it, that's obviously different as there intention will not be malicious.
I don't go around calling random black people ******* as most of them would consider that to be rude and racist, it might be different if we were m8s. Nor would I call a white person a derogatory term for the same reason.
perhaps she uses it more often than you think. You don't know her real life who she hangs around with etc.
If she was a hip-hop lover she would have been used to hearing the word it would have become devalued and thus part of her daily speech? Even if it wasn't the context wasn't there. Anyone's complains would have to be seen by ofcom in context and would have been chucked out.
Sorry BB hasn't worked and has just given me another reason not to watch. Seems like BB need paul daniels to launch and appeal à la Brass Eye as they sound like the elephant
Can you label the people from pakistan as pakis or must you use the full term.
Ie for scottish people it's Scottish but Scots is accepted (whereas Scotch is much less so) but neither are in insult.
If she was a hip-hop lover she would have been used to hearing the word it would have become devalued and thus part of her daily speech? Even if it wasn't the context wasn't there. Anyone's complains would have to be seen by ofcom in context and would have been chucked out.
Sorry BB hasn't worked and has just given me another reason not to watch. Seems like BB need paul daniels to launch and appeal à la Brass Eye as they sound like the elephant
Can you label the people from pakistan as pakis or must you use the full term.
Ie for scottish people it's Scottish but Scots is accepted (whereas Scotch is much less so) but neither are in insult.
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IMO famliliarity is the difference between a word being an insult and a bit of banter.
If Emily came in on the first night and said "Oi ******, Whats your name". That could easily be construed as racist.
But they have known each other for a week now and have been living in very close proximity for that time. Everyone involved knew it was not meant in a derogatory way I think most viewers know that too.
Quite simply the racism in my eyes is that a white person got punished for the innocent usage of a word an a black person was not.
If Emily came in on the first night and said "Oi ******, Whats your name". That could easily be construed as racist.
But they have known each other for a week now and have been living in very close proximity for that time. Everyone involved knew it was not meant in a derogatory way I think most viewers know that too.
Quite simply the racism in my eyes is that a white person got punished for the innocent usage of a word an a black person was not.
it would have set off riots.the-void said:
It's an offensive word when coming from the mouth of non black person in my opinion. She shouldn't of said it, it's as simple as that.
Signing along to a tune isn't the same as casually using the word ****** in coversation. Try it for yourself to see the reaction, there are plenty of blacks that refer to eachother as ****** in say, Brixton, so why don't you go there, find a group of young black men and start the conversation with "alright ******".
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The day before I think Ziggy hit the nail on the head when he said she was a bit immature, maybe he should have said naive instead. She has landed herself in hot water by what appears to be trying to appear black in a Boyz n the Hood kind of way or in this case Girls n the Hood. Stupid of course but when your 19 you don't have the common sense you gain in your 20-30's. When Ziggy & Emily selected Shabnam to be punished instead of the twins as the twins were seen to be too naive at 18 to understand why, perhaps BB should raise the age of contestants to 21.
Oh and pumaz I could ask her to send you a signed photo when I see her, but I don't know her that well. Her parents are nice people though and her neighbours get on well with the family.
Oh and pumaz I could ask her to send you a signed photo when I see her, but I don't know her that well. Her parents are nice people though and her neighbours get on well with the family.
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if "my n*****" are going to use those words in songs, then they are basically saying "we dont find it offensive, we are publishing over the air waves that we are n****** and like it, as well as lots of black hoes"
Seriously
If they want to use it in their songs, be my guest, but people will see that they are allowing the use of the word.
ffs slavery ended ages ago. Colored people got their rights? What more do they want? Why are they bringing up these words that should have died out along with there mama???
Seriously
If they want to use it in their songs, be my guest, but people will see that they are allowing the use of the word.ffs slavery ended ages ago. Colored people got their rights? What more do they want? Why are they bringing up these words that should have died out along with there mama???