R600 Benchmarks??

titaniumx3 · 31 Dec 2006 at 15:50

Richdog said:
Indeedy!

Propaganda at it's finest.

Propaganda at its worst more like! The website is joke and so are the benchmark numbers; totally unbelievable.

fornowagain · 31 Dec 2006 at 20:21

Always makes me laugh, the way BS spreads.

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-1148-view-r600-vs-8800gtx-review-and-benchmark.html

edgaruy1980 · 1 Jan 2007 at 00:05

I have seem the draft for the R600, and it will deliver 110 Gb/s bandwidth and
20 Gpix/s fill rate against the G80 85Gb/s, 15Gpix/s.
So in overall will be like a 1950XTX against a 7900GTX.
But the most interesting thing is the new board, which will have over 20 layers of circuitry.
But for the next core AMD wants a total reform, as well, more geometric processing so will run faster helping the CPU.
Also they want to increase the "bonus penalty" when using Intel.
So your card will run faster on an AMD cpu.
Just let's see if will have any anti-trust issue.

Sime · 1 Jan 2007 at 01:22

Do you ever think Intel or NVIDIA will think..."AMD and ATI have hooked up, maybe we should do the same?"

ACESHIGH · 1 Jan 2007 at 09:19

lay-z-boy said:
about as legit as this:

Awesome, thanks for the link to the review, Im definitely going to get the R600 based on that.

Duke · 1 Jan 2007 at 12:59

Lolcb said:
ATi is working their arse off thinking how to make a card to beat the G80.

Somehow I don't think ATI begin designing a next gen card after the competitor has released theirs

Lolcb · 1 Jan 2007 at 13:37

Duke said:
Somehow I don't think ATI begin designing a next gen card after the competitor has released theirs

Well they may have started to design theirs about the same time as Nvidia. But the delay can be because of the following reasons

- not prepared enough
- lack of investment into the dx10 project
- r600 not being able to beat the g80 or being on par

and they probably have a g80 card in their test lab now and running benchmarks and games 24/7 to compare and beat it.

Darkwave · 1 Jan 2007 at 13:47

Lolcb said:
and they probably have a g80 card in their test lab now and running benchmarks and games 24/7 to compare and beat it.

Maybe they had one before they were launched! Zomg tinfoil hat mode = on all.

ATI have always said they were launching R600 in early 2007, they have never said otherwise. They knew Nvidia were planning to launch the 8800 Series between September and November 2006, but they still said they were launching early 2007 from the get go.

I am not sure what the reason is for this, nobody is really, but the people saying "they're in a panic after seeing G80" or "they're going over G80 with a fine toothed comb" are just making assumptions at best and making themselves look like twits.

Seeing as these people seem to be psychic and know what ATI is thinking, could they please conjur up some R600 specs for us? This week's lotto numbers would be nice too.

gord · 1 Jan 2007 at 14:02

Wasnt this around when the AMD purchase was happening? Id have thought it would be natural to push back the deadlines considering the corporate change.

Darkwave · 1 Jan 2007 at 14:10

gord said:
Wasnt this around when the AMD purchase was happening? Id have thought it would be natural to push back the deadlines considering the corporate change.

Even before that they said that R600 was coming in early 2007.

jaykay · 1 Jan 2007 at 15:00

well it looks atis card is pretty good will have to see prices and nvidias refreshes

easyrider · 1 Jan 2007 at 15:08

I think when R600 comes out it will be top dog over the 8800 series.

However this will last a month or so.

NV will refresh the 8800 series and ATI will be playing catch up once more.

After all IQ quality and AA and HDR at the same time is already a NV feature so speed will be the only factor.

Something that NV are very good at.

Bored waiting TBH for ATI's effort.

Lolcb · 1 Jan 2007 at 15:12

easyrider said:
I think when R600 comes out it will be top dog over the 8800 series.

However this will last a month or so.

NV will refresh the 8800 series and ATI will be playing catch up once more.

After all IQ quality and AA and HDR at the same time is already a NV feature so speed will be the only factor.

Something that NV are very good at.

Bored waiting TBH for ATI's effort.

A month would be a godly gift for ATi. I think 4 months is more than enough for Nvidia to upgrade the present 8800 Series.

If Nvidia comes out with 8900GTX at the same with when R600 comes out. All I can say is " HALLELUYA "

vairo · 1 Jan 2007 at 15:40

how much will R600 cost?

jaykay · 1 Jan 2007 at 15:56

to make it competitive £350-400 really depends on how fast it is and how they want to take the market

Firegod · 1 Jan 2007 at 16:12

easyrider said:
Bored waiting TBH for ATI's effort.

Me to.

And my opinion is ATi are taking longer because the R600 simply wasn't up to the task, and are tweaking it to make it better. No point releasing an inferior product and that is a perfectly logical assumption as to why it is taking longer for ATi. However, some will disagree (it is all speculation, after all I have no idea what the "real" reason is) and say perhaps they are just taking their time to make a good DX10 card... could be!

It's the whole, is the glass half full or half empty business. People will perceive the situation differently. Me personally, I'd say the glass was half empty, well, if the R600 had a glass on it... then it would definately be half empty.

/oooh noes! I'm now a twit for having an education guess at what's going on! :eek:

Richdog · 1 Jan 2007 at 16:20

I don't think the reason ATI are taking so long is inferiorty... as someone said above ATI claimed an early 2007 arival for the new cards, so you can hardly complain that they haven't brought it out before they say they would. I think the reason for the delay has been technological constraints... ATI are packing a LOT of tech into this new card and this in itself, as wonderful as it is, is going to create problems. The heat and power consumption of this card is going to be horrendous (according to reports) so they may have very well been beavering away on fine-tuning the card so that when i's released it's as efficient as it can possibly be.

With the G80 now out they can get one in their labs, see it's strengths and weaknesses, and ensure that when R600 is released it expoits those to it's full potential. R600 doesn't just have to beat G80, it also has to beat the refresh (8900?) that will undoubtedly released at around the same time in Nvidias attempt to rain on it's parade.

Nvidia has certainly got in there first with regards to next-gen DX10 parts, but as we've seen in the past even if a card is late it will still get a big following provided the performance is there, and ATI still have a lot of loal customers who have no doubt hung on to their still relatively stonking X1900 series of cards and are wisely playing the waiting game to see what Q1 2007 brings.

It's going to be a good year for tech.

easyrider · 1 Jan 2007 at 16:26

I'm not sure the R600 will be that much faster than the G80 TBH,

And I certainly don't think it will faster than say a 8900.

It will be superseded very quickly.

Unless its a dream card with MEGA performance.

If its just a bit quicker I don't think that will be enough.

Devious · 1 Jan 2007 at 16:44

Why is there lately a trend these crappy fake sites for future Ati cards ?

I dont remember seeing any for the G80.

Ethne · 2 Jan 2007 at 05:09

Devious said:
Why is there lately a trend these crappy fake sites for future Ati cards ?

I dont remember seeing any for the G80.

I don't think that site is "fake" (Heavily biased maybe). Even Anand is giving it credence. It turns out that it has affiliations with AMD employees.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5524

Personally, I think if those numbers are even close to correct, the R600 is doomed. You can be guaranteed that the Nvidia refresh will either match it or better. Nvidia will also have the advantage of having had a comparable product on the market for almost 4 months when the R600 finally shows up. I'll buy whatever's best but its looking like an 8900 (or whatever it happens to be called). Nvidia's cards are very impressive at the moment! I'm still in shock over how much faster my C2D/8800 combo is over my FX-60/Crossfire 1900 setup. Bring it on Nvidia

"Let’s just hope no one with a GeForce 8800GTX gets jealous when you show off your R600."

Then there's that stupid quote from the 505 website. The R600 is max 20% faster and thats only in Doom 3. In most other tests its 10% or less. I dont really find that very impressive considering the R600 is almost half a year behind the 8800. Add to that the fact that there will be an Nvidia refresh and this statement is really kind of silly, and quite obviously made by someone with a heavy ATI bias.