Racist or not?

BUDFORCE · 12 Dec 2022 at 14:56

Only racism here is the white majority were under represented, should have been at least two white British, maybe 3 with 4th on rotation.

ivrytwr3 · 12 Dec 2022 at 14:56

Dis86 said:
Whose colour? There are 4 people there.

Stop trying to be clever - the black dudes. As i say, if they were all white, we would be laughing about it.

sigma · 12 Dec 2022 at 14:57

BUDFORCE said:
Only racism here is the white majority were under represented, should have been at least two white British, maybe 3 with 4th on rotation.

Representation does seem to have gone full swing.

sigma · 12 Dec 2022 at 14:57

ivrytwr3 said:
Stop trying to be clever - the black dudes. As i say, if they were all white, we would be laughing about it.

The comment was aimed at all 4 though?

ttaskmaster · 12 Dec 2022 at 14:57

ivrytwr3 said:
Subtle or ‘casual’ racism can also appear in the form of a ‘microaggression’. This is an intentional or unintentional offensive message that targets a person based entirely on their being a member of a minority group.

And because this joke addresses all the people in the picture, rather than deliberately targeting one individual or even one race, it is decidedly not racist to joke about it.

Guest2 said:
Ok thanks.

How does the picture (toast picture) show that one race is superior or inferior to another? Unless people think that white uncooked toast is inferior and blackest burnt toast is inferior. Maybe that's why people think it's racist - my only conclusion really

That's my point - The picture is not racist.
However, while I'm not saying you are racist, the now-stereotypical (even cliched) assertion of having "a black friend" or similar is also not proof of being unracist either.

Dis86 · 12 Dec 2022 at 14:58

ivrytwr3 said:
Stop trying to be clever - the black dudes. As i say, if they were all white, we would be laughing about it.

No because it wouldn't make sense as a joke, would it?

ivrytwr3 · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:01

Dis86 said:
No because it wouldn't make sense as a joke, would it?

Yes it would. I said before, all white men: milky white gwar > pink gammon > sunburn brown - all fine. But start adding the black element and all of a sudden people start taking offence.

n111ck · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:01

If the toaster belonged to a posh white 83 year old lady then yes definitely racist.

If the toaster belonged to Harry and Meghan then definitely not (although they shouldn't have to make their own toast).

Tony Edwards · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:04

Another SC thread gone GD.

ivrytwr3 · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:06

I do like this quote though from Ricky Gervais, "You can joke about race without being racist. I do it all the time."

Shocky-FM · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:07

No, it's not racist.

bigmike20vt said:
I have noticed a definite trend where it seems it is perfectly acceptable for people of colour to be pretty outwardly,.if not out and out racist.certainly hostile to white people,. just like it seems it is ok for women to be disparaging about men in a way that men could never get away with with women.

and one of the most insulting men I have ever met was an incredibly in your face homosexual. If I was to speak to people the way he did I would definitely get a.punch.

Interesting isn't it? Sounds familiar. Communists divided people by class, Nazis by race, yet the modern left want to divide people by both, but they've also added sex "gender" into the mix.

bazzabear · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:13

You're all missing the important point here. Where did this guy get his toaster?

Because every toaster I have ever used has the settings:
white
very, very slightly browned
burned to a crisp
on fire

Guest2 · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:13

Someone mentioned its racist depending on who says it / makes the comments / posts the picture.

I thought comedian Romesh Ranganathans sketch on his mum calling him 'coconut' to her friends was very racist. I laughted but it was how he described how his mum hid it from her friends and his delivery of the joke.
When you actually think about what she is calling him (if sketch is true) then it's very racist. Saying somone doesnt act how they appear, in this case appearing to be white on the inside

Is it not racist if the person telling the joke is talking about their race / making fun of themselves? - Only racist if talking about another race.

I suppose similar with Rosie Jones making fun of herself for having Cerebral Palsy. If someone who didnt have Cerebral Palsy told the same jokes, I don't think they would go down so well!

Tony Edwards · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:15

ivrytwr3 said:
I do like this quote though from Ricky Gervais, "You can joke about race without being racist. I do it all the time."

The thing is racists hear that and think it is justification for the things they say. Without realising the joke bit is I do it all the time.

Same thing happens with Chappelle. Right wingers only hear what they want to hear. They dont realise they are the butt of his jokes mostly.

C Kent · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:16

Sounds like the toaster has internalised racisim

ttaskmaster · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:26

Guest2 said:
Is it not racist if the person telling the joke is talking about their race / making fun of themselves? - Only racist if talking about another race.

I suppose similar with Rosie Jones making fun of herself for having Cerebral Palsy. If someone who didnt have Cerebral Palsy told the same jokes, I don't think they would go down so well!

You can indeed be racist against your own race, as it would still be asserting the superiority/inferiority of one race compared to an other(s).
Similarly another person who also had cerebral palsy might take offense at Rosie's jokes, so the fact that she has it isn't necessarily a mitigating factor for social acceptability. I reemember when Goodness GRacious Me came out and half the Indians in the office were laughing about it (it had never been done before, apparently), while the other half were ******* LIVID about it!

NVP · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:27

Guest2 said:
I asked how it was racist and no one could provide a good answer, other that it was and “well called out” (that it was racist)

Sounds familiar...

peterwalkley · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:27

So is putting marmalade on my toast going to get me accused me of picking on gingers :rolleyes:

Dis86 · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:35

ivrytwr3 said:
Yes it would. I said before, all white men: milky white gwar > pink gammon > sunburn brown - all fine. But start adding the black element and all of a sudden people start taking offence.

You have pink toast?

200sols · 12 Dec 2022 at 15:47

ivrytwr3 said:
Subtle or ‘casual’ racism can also appear in the form of a ‘microaggression’. This is an intentional or unintentional offensive message that targets a person based entirely on their being a member of a minority group. Any form of racism is unacceptable, even a comment or an action that is subtle or occurs in a casual environment. Examples of casual racism include:

making fun of someone’s background, even if it's disguised as a joke.

So the post says 'One was white, one white and tanned, one mixed race and one black.'

So why are you saying this is racist against one particular group? Seems you are searching for racism where it doesn't exist, don't worry though a lot of people do that these days.