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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

Apparently MSRP for the 8GB Ref 480 is $229, so we all know given the exchange rates it should work out around £155... now add VAT and Import Tax and gouging i see no reason why it should be higher than £220-230

I still personally think it needs to be closer to £200 for the Reference models, its not too bad but i still think a tad overpriced, but that seems to be the run of play with GPUs currently
 
No one wants the 4GB blower one ^^^ what am I saying? no one wants any of them.


@ Noctifer, Based on the fact that another 390X for about 390X money would surely kill off AMD for offering nothing to few and repeating past mistakes.
 
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Gregster said:
The overclocking is the unknown and don't forget that the 390/X use a 512 bit bus and does use memory compression whilst the 480 uses 256bit and I will put my head on the chopping block and say if it was a big overclocker, AMD would have pushed the base clocks much higher and charged more for it.
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The whole point is that they are trying to claim back market share, so made a part with a certain price/performance/efficiency in mind. This meant that they could cut back on the size of the PCB, number of memory packages due to improved compression on a smaller bus. Cut back on the size of the power delivery system etc. All savings that would vanish if they set the clocks higher, but AMD have left that side of things open for AIB's to cater too.

The reference card was always about making a card for a certain price at a certain performance. But even then it has been thrown around that the reference card may easily clock to 1400mhz anyway.
 
humbug said:
Based on the fact that another 390X for about 390X money would surely kill off AMD for offering nothing to few and repeating past mistakes.
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The entire line of 28nm GPU's is going to end production if it already didn't. The 480 replaces a high end card (the 390X) while offering better tech and better performance/$ and better performance/W.
 
humbug said:
Based on the fact that another 390X for about 390X money would surely kill off AMD for offering nothing to few and repeating past mistakes.
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Except we dont know lots of details.. The 480 might only cost 1/2 of what the 390x costs to make for amd and they get a better return per card.

Yes we understand you want a replacement card but the card your after might be the 490 or whatever they call the vega card. There isnt anything to say when its released 480's wont drop in price .
Main thing is dont get super excited or disappointed until the true reviews come out atm most are working of leaks and rumours which may or may not be true
 
humbug said:
No one wants the 4GB blower one ^^^ what am I saying? no one wants any of them.


@ Noctifer, Based on the fact that another 390X for about 390X money would surely kill off AMD for offering nothing to few and repeating past mistakes.
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seriously, can you stop with this daft rhetoric? this card is being positioned in a lower segment at a lower price point.

the transition of 290x - 390x etc did offer some small performance improvements in the same price range but most of it came from drivers and higher clocked memory. of which the driver improvements helped all gcn cards.

With this they are improving the performance of a segment down and decided to release this smaller 14nm part first as it targets a larger market compared to the yet to be released 490-fury2 etc. The parts which are meant as the 390x - fury replacements that you are looking for.
 
humbug said:
I still don't see how anyone can sit there and say another 390X to replace the 390X is a great thing, unless its £150 for the 8GB one, this is AMD's third card of the the same in the same price bracket.
I expected it to be at least a bit faster, but I guess not.
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Again, RX480 is not replacing 390X it's replacing 380X. Do you even know what price 290X and 390X debuted at? A hint, it's a lot more than $199. 290X launch price $549 390X launch price $429.

960->GP106
970->1070
980->1080
980Ti/Titan X->GP102

370X->RX470
380X->RX480
390X->RX490 probably the Linkedin leaked 300mm2 Vega part rumored for October
Fury/FuryX->Fury X successor likely the bigger Vega 2017
 
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Noctifer said:
The entire line of 28nm GPU's is going to end production if it already didn't. The 480 replaces a high end card (the 390X) while offering better tech and better performance/$ and better performance/W.
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The 390X is not a high end card, on 16nm it will get surpassed by the 1060, and the 480 with it.

triss said:
Except we dont know lots of details.. The 480 might only cost 1/2 of what the 390x costs to make for amd and they get a better return per card.

Yes we understand you want a replacement card but the card your after might be the 490 or whatever they call the vega card. There isnt anything to say when its released 480's wont drop in price .
Main thing is dont get super excited or disappointed until the true reviews come out atm most are working of leaks and rumours which may or may not be true
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The only way the 480 is a salvageable product is if its £150, and do away with the 4GB one all together.

No one who owns anything above a 390 / 970 is remotely interested in another 390 for what they paid for the 390.
 
Gregster said:
The overclocking is the unknown and don't forget that the 390/X use a 512 bit bus and does use memory compression whilst the 480 uses 256bit and I will put my head on the chopping block and say if it was a big overclocker, AMD would have pushed the base clocks much higher and charged more for it.
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Nope, that's Tonga, and GCN 1.2. The 390/X are the same architecture as 290/X (GCN 1.1) and do not have this feature. So ironically, the Tonga-based 380 has memory compression, but the 390X does not.

Look at the series here: Grenada is basically Hawaii, so it's GCN1.1.

480 will very likely have an overall faster memory subsystem than the 390X in spite of the smaller bus. And remember even in raw performance, the 390X use slower memory so it's not like 512bit bus is twice as fast as 256bit bus. The actual speeds come out at 256GB/s for 480, vs 384GB/s for the 390X. So in fact it's 50% faster in raw bandwidth (not double the bandwidth of the 480). You can definitely get close to 50% loss-less compression for most image/texture data. And don't forget the 480 will likely have larger on-die cache.

Everything indicates that in practice, the 480 memory subsystem as a whole will match the 390X very closely.

EDIT: Here's a source where it's spelled out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Core_Next#GCN_3rd_Generation_.22GCN_1.2.22_.28Volcanic_Islands.2C_R9_285.28x.29_and_Fury.2FNano.29
 
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humbug said:
Right, exactly, so do you think £250 for this low power 390X is a great thing?

That's what I struggle to understand, I think that's absolutely abysmal.
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i didnt say its a great thing i just put where it will be priced.

ocuk have the stock already. they will know where the 480 sits.if it destroys the 970 gtx they would adjust the pricing of the 970 gtx.

its currently £215. so i guess that tells you kinda where the 480 will sit.

whether thats good or bad is up to you.
 
humbug said:
The 390X is not a high end card, on 16nm it will get surpassed by the 1060, and the 480 with it.
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It was when it was released.

humbug said:
The only way the 480 is a salvageable product is if its £150 and do away with the 4GB one all together.
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It's probably going to offer the best price/performance ratio which will make it very attractive to a lot of people, especially when the 300 series runs out of stock.

humbug said:
No one who owns any thing above a 390 / 970 is remotely interested in another 390 for what they paid for the 390.
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And it's not targeted at people who own those cards, there is a ton of people who have old GPU's looking for an upgrade. Gibbo seams to think the card will sell well.
 
I'm still betting on it being around Nano performance, and faster with overclocking.

Everything on paper points to it.

And it seems clear Gibbo is talking about 980Ti's with 1200+ Mhz clockspeed, not true stock ones. And this makes sense. He's thinking of comparing products he actually has and sells (i.e. he doesn't have any stock 980 Ti's), and we're thinking about on-paper stock performance.
 
humbug said:
No one who owns any thing above a 390 / 970 is remotely interested in another 390 for what they paid for the 390.
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Look at the steam survey, about 5% of people have a 970, 2% a 980 or 980Ti and less than 2% have an R9 200 (could be a 260/270 etc.).

That means the 480 would be an upgrade for 90%+ of people, they aren't targeting people who already have a 390.
 
Sitting here patiently with my popcorn waiting to see the pricing of this card. I got slammed for quoting £250 for 8GB aftermarket cooler, 1000's posts back.
 
David Bisset said:
Yep. Though at that point lots of people were also saying "wait it's just a rumour" which seems to have gone away this time round.
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I guess you missed all those posts going into total damage control talking about how Gibbo doesn't know what he's talking about or couldn't know what he's talking about or whatever other way to dismiss what they're hearing because they dont like it?

And I'm not saying that Gibbo's comments should be taken as complete gospel, but somebody who is in contact with suppliers and will have the ability to discuss specs and performance and price and whatnot with others under the NDA might well know a thing or two. Just sayin...
 
humbug said:
The 390X is not a high end card, on 16nm it will get surpassed by the 1060, and the 480 with it.



The only way the 480 is a salvageable product is if its £150, and do away with the 4GB one all together.

No one who owns anything above a 390 / 970 is remotely interested in another 390 for what they paid for the 390.
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What you fail to see is most people that use pc's have lower then a 390/970 atm.
Thats the market AMD hope to get with this mainstream card.
Its easy to forget on a forum like this with so many having a 390x/970 up that really thats only a small portion of the market
 
AllBodies said:
I'm still betting on it being around Nano performance, and faster with overclocking.

Everything on paper points to it.

And it seems clear Gibbo is talking about 980Ti's with 1200+ Mhz clockspeed, not true stock ones. And this makes sense. He's thinking of comparing products he actually has and sells (i.e. he doesn't have any stock 980 Ti's), and we're thinking about on-paper stock performance.
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Pretty much, the other thing is that over the years as Nvidia has no doubt improved the design, the 980Ti's ability to overclock improved along with AIBs deciding to just offer them clocked at 1200mhz as a base clock.

From what i remember of when it launched most 980ti maxed out around ~1200 when overclocking, while most would boost to around 1100ish mhz. it is only near the end of its life now that we see 1400-1500mhz parts.
 
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