Radeon RX Vega 64 vs. GeForce RTX 2080, Adrenalin 2019 Edition Driver Update Benchmark Test

[TheRealDeal]

I liked the DLSS vid that was FFXV and thought it looked good. No good for me thus far though, as I am 3440x1440 and not supported (that I am aware of). I feel it is a good way of bringing 4K to the masses without having to have such a beast of a card and I believe AMD are jumping on a similar thing and sure it will be better than DLSS. If people think having an undervolted and overclocked card running against a ref card and lowering a 9900K processor to 4Ghz and not putting full RGB on in the NCP is a decent way of testing, then happy days to those guys. Personally, I prefer the guys who do it for a living or as an enthusiast.

It was not a reference card Greg. The stock chips have a boost clock of 1710 and this was the Palit gaming oc with a boost clock of 1815. The founders chip itself is now a OC model where as base specs are

• Boost Clock: 1710MHz
  
• Memory: 8192MB 14000MHz

The gaming oc card used is overclocked hence the oc in the name with clocks of 1815/14000.

Look at the price on this ROG Strix card which is clocked lower than the palit card

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-42j-as.html

or this Evga model with the same specs as the Palit. The Palit is not the fastest OC model but it was holding 1930-1950 in the tests which is very respectable. The average max OC on Turing is most likely in the 2050 range as some will go higher and some will not reach this. So basically there is not a whole lot to come from the 2080 and most likely the same from the Vega 64.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/evga...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-31a-ea.html

 

[shankly1985]

And the fact the Vega card was very little OC,, HBM nothing in it. And the core was running at 1500 just like most Aftermarket Vega 64

All he done was just stabilised the GPU from throttling.

 

[4K8KW10]

Why are people so upset about the colours used in the Video? The colours don't matter, they don't have any relevance to what the video was about. The colours don't change the performance. He said he forgot to set the range to full in the Nvidia control panel. So people saying that PQ is better on one brand than the other based on this video are talking drivel. But, the same goes for people who are saying that the video is rubbish just because the colours aren't right. It has no impact on the subject of the video.

It's also funny that so many people are getting upset about the overclock on the Vega card. When Vega came out there were quite a few posts and threads about overclocked 980Ti's matching the Vega 56 and showing that the 980ti lasted well to be able to match the second best card in the AMD lineup. None of the people complaining in this thread about the Vega card been overclocked had any issues with the 980Ti been overclocked in comparison to a stock Vega card. But, now that there is a video showing a overclocked Vega getting close to a 2080, it's not an apples to oranges comparison. The Vega card is "heavily" overclocked compared to a lightly overclocked 2080.

The "heavily" overclocked Vega comments are making me laugh.

So, you say drivel? I think your post is pure trolling and I am thinking about reporting it.

 

[Gregster]

Maybe I am being harsh and seeing it from the wrong perspective. For the record, I skimmed the vid and thought "9900K @ 4Ghz.... Why? Colour isn't full RGB on NVidia.... Why? And why has he undervolted and overclocked the V64. I genuinely don't care what the results are and haven't even looked to any length but feel the testing methodology was complete rubbish and amateurish!

 

[TheRealDeal]

Maybe I am being harsh and seeing it from the wrong perspective. For the record, I skimmed the vid and thought "9900K @ 4Ghz.... Why? Colour isn't full RGB on NVidia.... Why? And why has he undervolted and overclocked the V64. I genuinely don't care what the results are and haven't even looked to any length but feel the testing methodology was complete rubbish and amateurish!

Personally i don't know why the 9900k is at 4ghz but at 1440p it's probably not making a huge difference to results. It may even favour the 2080 as in the past it's been the AMD cards who have suffered in more cpu bound situations. I feel his results are fair enough though as the cards both have OC's but not maxed. The colour's matter not but for his out of 10 mark he should lose a point for this. Really though in this day and age Nvidia should have this sorted.

 

[Gregster]

Personally i don't know why the 9900k is at 4ghz but at 1440p it's probably not making a huge difference to results. It may even favour the 2080 as in the past it's been the AMD cards who have suffered in more cpu bound situations. I feel his results are fair enough though as the cards both have OC's but not maxed. The colour's matter not but for his out of 10 mark he should lose a point for this. Really though in this day and age Nvidia should have this sorted.

It's a HDMI thing I believe, as I have never had it using DP.

 

[shankly1985]

It's a HDMI thing I believe, as I have never had it using DP.

It is only HDMI yes.

 

[Kaapstad]

The founders editions cards come factory overclocked. So the 2080 card used in the video had a 115hz overclock.

The Vega overclock is too big? lol no it's not, it's barely tweaked at all.

I was waiting for that comment to come up lol.

The Founders Edition card is the reference card, NVidia do not make or sell any other versions and they all have the same clockspeeds.

Or putting it another way it is impossible to say the reference card is overclocked or it would not be the reference card.

If you disagree find another 2080 that NVidia sell directly.



I also agree with Gregster and others that the review in the OP is very unprofessional and very flawed.

If I did a review of several cards I would not tamper with anything on them like clockspeeds and just state upfront like some of the better tech sites like TechPowerUp what clockspeeds the cards are using out of the box.

If the guy had an RTX Titan available for the review would he overclock it a bit to make up for the fact that it can hit higher clockspeeds than the average 2080 when both are overclocked, of course he would not.

 

[melmac]

So, you say drivel? I think your post is pure trolling and I am thinking about reporting it.

Report away. The arguments that have been coming up in this thread about PQ have been ridiculous and nothing to do with the topic in the Video. That there have been more posts in this thread about PQ then the actual content of the video and all because he forgot to turn on full instead of limited in Nvidia's control panel.

 

[shankly1985]

I was waiting for that comment to come up lol.

The Founders Edition card is the reference card, NVidia do not make or sell any other versions and they all have the same clockspeeds.

Or putting it another way it is impossible to say the reference card is overclocked or it would not be the reference card.

If you disagree find another 2080 that NVidia sell directly.



I also agree with Gregster and others that the review in the OP is very unprofessional and very flawed.

If I did a review of several cards I would not tamper with anything on them like clockspeeds and just state upfront like some of the better tech sites like TechPowerUp what clockspeeds the cards are using out of the box.

If the guy had an RTX Titan available for the review would he overclock it a bit to make up for the fact that it can hit higher clockspeeds than the average 2080 when both are overclocked, of course he would not.

Did you know this... Most Tech Youtube channels bench the VEGA GPU with 100% fan speed to give the VEGA less change of throttling!

Like this guy! Used quite a lot around here

 

[melmac]

I was waiting for that comment to come up lol.

The Founders Edition card is the reference card, NVidia do not make or sell any other versions and they all have the same clockspeeds.

Or putting it another way it is impossible to say the reference card is overclocked or it would not be the reference card.

If you disagree find another 2080 that NVidia sell directly.

I could post link after link showing that the reference card is overclocked. It's a known fact. Just because it doesn't suit your argument, you can't just ignore it. Here is quote directly from Nvidia about their Turing founders edition cards.

As for our own Founders Edition GeForce RTX graphics cards, they’re the first NVIDIA-designed gaming graphics cards to launch with a factory overclock for superior out-of-the-box performance, and the first to feature dual fans for cool-yet-quiet gaming.

Or here, https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/

Scroll down to specs, you will see the 2080 and the 2080 founders edition.

 

[Brazo]

Did you know this... Most Tech Youtube channels bench the VEGA GPU with 100% fan speed to give the VEGA less change of throttling!

Like this guy! Used quite a lot around here

As much as I’d like to think my vega 56 would beat out a 1080, I’m simply not prepared to set the fans at 100% as the neighbours would wonder what I’m what doing!

Rather than keep posting up random You tubers Here’s s professional review with figures that I trust. The vega figures are very similar to your video yet the Nvidia figures are higher.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/1746-battlefield-5-gpu-performance/

 

[shankly1985]

Lets look at RE2 Demo "YEAH I KNOW ITS A DEMO"

VEGA shows good gains here and its defo not running OC!!

 

[shankly1985]

As much as I’d like to think my vega 56 would beat out a 1080, I’m simply not prepared to set the fans at 100% as the neighbours would wonder what I’m what doing!

Rather than keep posting up random You tubers Here’s s professional review with figures that I trust. The vega figures are very similar to your video yet the Nvidia figures are higher.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/1746-battlefield-5-gpu-performance/

The reason why I dont use charts is because you simply dont see the game running. For all we know they could be just standing in one place looking at the sky. Videos always showcase a much closer raw performance numbers.

I agree I wouldn't run my fans 100% but for benching and keeping the GPU thermals in check its not a bad way. Also that link isn't using the 2019 AMD drivers.

 

[shankly1985]

Again more
Look at the Battlefield 5 performance! Its clear to see that VEGA can do really well when either the game is optimised for VEGA or AMD is just getting more out of VEGA lately. I tell you what its interesting to keep an eye on VEGA and see how well it ages.
Ryzen 5 was used this time

AMD Ryzen 5 2600X
X470 ASRock Master SLI
GSkill F4-3200C15D-16GTZKO

SAPPHIRE NITRO Radeon RX 64 -
MSI RTX 2080 TRIO Corsair AX 860

 

[shankly1985]

Same channel has in OP but this time VEGA stock

1440p high

This guy understands
MiauX2 months ago
Factory OC 2080 vs full stock Vega 64 and Vega its still competitive with a 900€ GPU. Not a bad buy in my book

Edit
And point proven again this time with HBM OC and Ultra BF5 1440p

 

[Kaapstad]

I could post link after link showing that the reference card is overclocked. It's a known fact. Just because it doesn't suit your argument, you can't just ignore it. Here is quote directly from Nvidia about their Turing founders edition cards.



Or here, https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/

Scroll down to specs, you will see the 2080 and the 2080 founders edition.

Can you find me a card for sale direct from NVidia with a lower clockspeed than the FE 2080.

If you can not it is not really an argument that the FE card is factory overclocked.

All NVidia are doing is using it as a sales gimmick as all the cards they sell direct come with only one clockspeed, the default one.

Default is not overclocked.

The only thing NVidia are guilty of here is talking animal waste which is nothing new for a hardware vendor.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Can you find me a card for sale direct from NVidia with a lower clockspeed than the FE 2080.

If you can not it is not really an argument that the FE card is factory overclocked.

All NVidia are doing is using it as a sales gimmick as all the cards they sell direct come with only one clockspeed, the default one.

Default is not overclocked.

The only thing NVidia are guilty of here is talking animal waste which is nothing new for a hardware vendor.

NVIDIA explains why GeForce RTX Founders Editions are overclocked

https://videocardz.com/77614/nvidia-explains-why-geforce-rtx-founders-editions-are-overclocked

Here is the Nvidia blog on it and it states factory overclock. The base chip runs at 1710/14000. Anything above that is Factory overclocked.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-founders-graphics-card-breakdown/

As for our own Founders Edition GeForce RTX graphics cards, they’re the first NVIDIA-designed gaming graphics cards to launch with a factory overclock for superior out-of-the-box performance, and the first to feature dual fans for cool-yet-quiet gaming.

 

[Kaapstad]

NVIDIA explains why GeForce RTX Founders Editions are overclocked

https://videocardz.com/77614/nvidia-explains-why-geforce-rtx-founders-editions-are-overclocked

That explains absolutely nothing.

AMD or NVidia decide what the default clockspeed is going to be on their reference cards and there is no way that the default clockspeed can be considered overclocked even if the vendor says it is.

Find a FE card or any other kind produced and sold directly by NVidia running at a lower clockspeed than the FE card and then I will believe the OC claim, otherwise it is just marketing.

NVidia do have a two tier chip system for their Turing cards but that is an entirely separate thing.

 

[melmac]

Can you find me a card for sale direct from NVidia with a lower clockspeed than the FE 2080.

If you can not it is not really an argument that the FE card is factory overclocked.

All NVidia are doing is using it as a sales gimmick as all the cards they sell direct come with only one clockspeed, the default one.

Default is not overclocked.

The only thing NVidia are guilty of here is talking animal waste which is nothing new for a hardware vendor.

LOL what?

It's impossible to say the reference cards is overclocked or else it would not be the reference card

The founder edition cards aren't the Reference spec. Suggest you click on the link that I put into my last post. Then click on "view full specs" On the left you will see the Founder's edition Spec on the right you will see the Reference spec.

Which is why the AIB cards start at 1710Mhz, because that's the reference spec.


There reasons for doing it don't matter to the discussion at hand. The fact is the Founder edition cards are overclocked to 1800Mhz. The card used in the test is overclocked to 1815Mhz. So a 105hz increase over the reference spec.