Radeon VII

[D.P.]

$699 converts to £543 but that is before VAT is added. So at MSRP Vega VII should be £650 but lets see what the usual retailer mark up is.

The cheapest 2080 here on OCUK is £650 but my worry is that 2080s are very locked down for overclocking with the Nvidia forced voltage lock. I'm seeing typically between 3% - 10% and that is old Fury X type overclocks and it was slated for being a poor overclocker.

At least Vega has the option of proper voltage control to maximise overclocking potential. I have seen some utter gash reviews from what I can only call moron reviewers overclocking Vega by pushing the core clocks up, or adding +50% to power limit while ignoring the voltage or even the VRAM clocks.

You have to add more than just VAT. There is shipping, insurance, handling, import tariffs, and often additional distributor fees .

Instead of adding 20% for VAT it is more realistic to add 30%.

 

[ICDP]

You have to add more than just VAT. There is shipping, insurance, handling, import tariffs, and often additional distributor fees .

Instead of adding 20% for VAT it is more realistic to add 30%.

I'm sorry but I am not sure if you are serious or not but list price, MSRP (or RRP) already takes those factors into account. The clue is in the part of the phrase that includes the words suggested or recommended before the words "retail price". Of course MSRP and RRP are interchangeable and are only recommendations, so some retailers will adjust their prices according to market forces and demand.

But the dollar MSRP or RRP (or list price), converted to Sterling + 20% VAT should be very close to what we as consumers should spend in the shops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_price

 

[Panos]

Just wait on launch day til we see the usual excuses trotted out when its more expensive than it should be. Pretty much always the way, lack of supply, brexit, pound vs dollar bla bla. The majority of gpu launches these days go that way and its getting to the point where it's become a joke and not much more than an exercise in retailers tacking whatever they feel like onto the card. Just look at the 2080ti, £300+ markup in some cases.

AMD is going to sell directly on the 7th at MSRP. If the retailers want to lose business, sure they can put up the price.

 

[Gibbo]

Look how cheap Vega cards are compared to a couple of months ago. Even though the pound is way down against the dollar

A couple of months ago was RX 590 launch where AMD gave additional support on Vega to OcUK and we hit £299 and £399 respectively on Sapphire which was best deal in UK which is cheaper than they are now.

They continued this support due to the success of said deals ongoing well 90% of said support still allowing us to be pretty much cheapest on Sapphire and Powercolor.

When Vega 7 comes out we shall prices it based on volume we get to sell and if AMD do decide to sell direct and give us a small volume then I’m afraid it makes zero sense for us to try and compete to make a few quid, we’re happy for AMD to take said business and then support it for next 2-3 years because as a business we have minimal margins in place particular for low volume sales.

If AMD don’t sell direct and give us at least 1000 cards we will aim to hit MSRP for sure as long as it’s greater than 5% margin otherwise again once we take in overheads and check out surcharges it can quickly become not worth our time to work with just 1-2% margin. I’m sure AMD will do right thing and set an MSRP that not only gives the reseller a solid 10% margin but also give us at least 1000 cards to meet demand.

Let’s see.

 

[vapor matt]

Hopefully you will get a good deal from AMD Gibbo, I will be up for the new Vega card if the price is right. any idea when pre orders will be available?

 

[Illuminist]

Hopefully you will get a good deal from AMD Gibbo, I will be up for the new Vega card if the price is right. any idea when pre orders will be available?

Same here and I know @Vince is in too

 

[Illuminist]

Also I just noticed, have they done away with the tach lights?

 

[shankly1985]

Also I just noticed, have they done away with the tach lights?

Sadly it would seem so. The LEDs are a great way to read how the GPU is performing.

 

[nashathedog]

Mrs Su confirming that the next Ryzen desktop range will include a cpu with more than 8 cores was the most interesting bit.

 

[Illuminist]

Sadly it would seem so. The LEDs are a great way to read how the GPU is performing.

How could they do dat

 

[D.P.]

I'm sorry but I am not sure if you are serious or not but list price, MSRP (or RRP) already takes those factors into account. The clue is in the part of the phrase that includes the words suggested or recommended before the words "retail price". Of course MSRP and RRP are interchangeable and are only recommendations, so some retailers will adjust their prices according to market forces and demand.

But the dollar MSRP or RRP (or list price), converted to Sterling + 20% VAT should be very close to what we as consumers should spend in the shops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_price

In the USA when compared to US MSRP.

For Europe, you would have to use the European MSRP, it the US where those things are excluded.

 

[Gerard]

How could they do dat

Was pretty pointless imo, it either just flickered one light or had all of them illuminated.

 

[ICDP]

In the USA when compared to US MSRP.

For Europe, you would have to use the European MSRP, it the US where those things are excluded.

Generaly the UK RRP is US RRP + 20%. Handling, shipping and retailer markup are included in RRP, that's the point of RRP. Any additional tarrifs or taxes are added on after the RRP is converted to local currency and becomes local RRP.

So UK RRP for $699 item would be ~£650 at curent exchange rates after VAT is added.

US RRP of RTX 2080 was $799, this converted to ~£749 in the UK. An extra 10% would haved added £60 to the price and made 2080 over £800 at least.

Of course we will find out soon enough.

 

[Martini1991]

I'm all in for a flagship AMD system once their new CPU's and motherboards land.
But if all is on offer GPU wise is this Vega, I'm not sure if I'll wait, Vega 64's "fine", but I wanted more GPU wise.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

A couple of months ago was RX 590 launch where AMD gave additional support on Vega to OcUK and we hit £299 and £399 respectively on Sapphire which was best deal in UK which is cheaper than they are now.

They continued this support due to the success of said deals ongoing well 90% of said support still allowing us to be pretty much cheapest on Sapphire and Powercolor.

When Vega 7 comes out we shall prices it based on volume we get to sell and if AMD do decide to sell direct and give us a small volume then I’m afraid it makes zero sense for us to try and compete to make a few quid, we’re happy for AMD to take said business and then support it for next 2-3 years because as a business we have minimal margins in place particular for low volume sales.

If AMD don’t sell direct and give us at least 1000 cards we will aim to hit MSRP for sure as long as it’s greater than 5% margin otherwise again once we take in overheads and check out surcharges it can quickly become not worth our time to work with just 1-2% margin. I’m sure AMD will do right thing and set an MSRP that not only gives the reseller a solid 10% margin but also give us at least 1000 cards to meet demand.

Let’s see.

Do you think the price drop indicates these cards are EOL?

 

[Gibbo]

Do you think the price drop indicates these cards are EOL?

Yes Vega is EOL, AMD have now sold everything they built, unfortunately they have no replacement due on the £300-£500 bracket until the VEGA 56/64 Navi Performing parts due late Summer.

But that is why they informed us to stock up as much as possible on VEGA 56/64 as going forward for next six months or so there shall just be 570, 580, 590 and Vega 7, so any reseller who did not stock up on Vega won't have any thing from AMD to sell in the £300 - £500 region.


Though in fairness Vega 56 was never supposed to go sub £300, we just made it happen because Vega 56 at under £300 impacts 590 negatively and 590 is priced correctly as is 580, so Vega 56 needed lifting in price.

 

[LePhuronn]

And there you have it. RX 3080 will cost £500 regardless of what AMD's intentions may be.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Yes Vega is EOL, AMD have now sold everything they built, unfortunately they have no replacement due on the £300-£500 bracket until the VEGA 56/64 Navi Performing parts due late Summer.

But that is why they informed us to stock up as much as possible on VEGA 56/64 as going forward for next six months or so there shall just be 570, 580, 590 and Vega 7, so any reseller who did not stock up on Vega won't have any thing from AMD to sell in the £300 - £500 region.


Though in fairness Vega 56 was never supposed to go sub £300, we just made it happen because Vega 56 at under £300 impacts 590 negatively and 590 is priced correctly as is 580, so Vega 56 needed lifting in price.

So Navi's launching in the summer for £300+? Will Navi sell alongside 500 series then or is 500 series EOL to?

 

[Gibbo]

So Navi's launching in the summer for £300+? Will Navi sell alongside 500 series then or is 500 series EOL to?

The timescale as Lisa Su confirmed on the stream is Summer. Expect more benchmarks, more hype around Computex time and maybe a launch window at same time or late Summer.

 

[LePhuronn]

So Navi's launching in the summer for £300+? Will Navi sell alongside 500 series then or is 500 series EOL to?

There is no way to know until actual Navi information is released. Those leaked specs would indicate that Vega and RX 580/590 are to be replaced, but it also does weird things to the 500 series. If that RX 3060 is legit, you could keep the 8GB RX 580 and RX590 (since RX 3060 only has 4GB VRAM), but you'd have to bin off the 8GB versions of the RX 570 and reduce the 4GB versions to sub £100.

But we have no idea what's going to happen because there just isn't any Navi information.