Ramadan 2020

Anyways Eid Mubarak to my fellow Muslims in here, it’s looking increasingly likely that it will be Sunday.
What sucks is that we can’t really have our usual big family and friends get together. But it is what it is sadly.
 
Never had pork/ham/bacon. Never will. Don't even like the smell of them.
Infact I don't like being in the same room/table if someone decides to eat their bacon butty or what ever crap it is, I politely ask the person to move.

Same with Alcohol. Never tried it and never will.

Eid Mubarak my brothers and sisters. Tomorrow is last day of Ramadan.

Are these teaching within the Quran literal hard and fast laws, or intended as best-practice guidance? I only ask as I doubt I could live my life without experiencing anything and everything I wanted at the time, from a fresh bacon and ketchup butty to a cocktail of psychedelics.

It’s haram though isn’t it?
I've no idea myself, but I do know it to be a bit of a taboo subject for my older Muslim friends (50+) as it was fine by their parents but it is no longer fine for their kids.
 
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My condolences, imagine living in Qatar.
Why's that then? Lovely weather the year round, tax free salary, amazing places to go and see and plenty for kids to do.

Oh and no-one stabs anyone here for the fun of it. Kids aren't forced to think like lgbtqstuvwxyz sheeple and it's probably one of the safest places to be.

Regarding the other comments about halal (permissible) / Haram (forbidden) for things like smoking etc, not sure if it's baiting and want a reaction or genuinely interested but here goes.

According to Islamic jurisprudence the basics of halal and Haram are determined by what's written in the Quran (holy book) and the Sunnah (actions and ways of the prophet Muhammad pbuh)

Such things like alcohol and pig meat are prohibited according to these so you will see Muslims will have an extremely negative reaction when asked about this. Many Muslims however, particularly from western influence, will dabble in alcohol drinking and non halal meat eating.
If they do such a thing that is their choice and that is between them and God.

Other topics such as smoking are not explicitly mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah and as such are a bit of a grey area. Some will say as it's not prohibited and that means that it must be OK. These things generally fall under a seperate ruling, in that it is not liked (Makruh) and as such many Muslims will engage in said activities.

At the end of the day faith and religion are incredibly personal things and to point out and state things like 'it's Haram though' are usually said to get a reaction. If individuals do wrong that is between them and God. If anyone wants to help it should be done in an appropriate manner rather than trying to bait people or just state things bluntly.

If people genuinely want to find out, a discussion can be had but alas in my relatively short time here I have seen many a thread spiral into a mess as some posters can't keep it civil.

Anyway, hope you guys made the most of this month. Stay safe and have a blessed Eid.
 
Why should I move when I was sat on the table/room first?
That’s the viewpoint of a child.

If I sat next to you on a bench and started eating a bacon butty and you asked me to move, I’d tell you where to go in no uncertain terms. When you’re the one with the problem, you move.
 
Why's that then? Lovely weather the year round, tax free salary, amazing places to go and see and plenty for kids to do.

Oh and no-one stabs anyone here for the fun of it. Kids aren't forced to think like lgbtqstuvwxyz sheeple and it's probably one of the safest places to be.

Regarding the other comments about halal (permissible) / Haram (forbidden) for things like smoking etc, not sure if it's baiting and want a reaction or genuinely interested but here goes.

According to Islamic jurisprudence the basics of halal and Haram are determined by what's written in the Quran (holy book) and the Sunnah (actions and ways of the prophet Muhammad pbuh)

Such things like alcohol and pig meat are prohibited according to these so you will see Muslims will have an extremely negative reaction when asked about this. Many Muslims however, particularly from western influence, will dabble in alcohol drinking and non halal meat eating.
If they do such a thing that is their choice and that is between them and God.

Other topics such as smoking are not explicitly mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah and as such are a bit of a grey area. Some will say as it's not prohibited and that means that it must be OK. These things generally fall under a seperate ruling, in that it is not liked (Makruh) and as such many Muslims will engage in said activities.

At the end of the day faith and religion are incredibly personal things and to point out and state things like 'it's Haram though' are usually said to get a reaction. If individuals do wrong that is between them and God. If anyone wants to help it should be done in an appropriate manner rather than trying to bait people or just state things bluntly.

If people genuinely want to find out, a discussion can be had but alas in my relatively short time here I have seen many a thread spiral into a mess as some posters can't keep it civil.

Anyway, hope you guys made the most of this month. Stay safe and have a blessed Eid.
Excellent post :).

Stop the bickering and the usual nonsense that people will post in these threads to get a rise.

Eid Mubarak again guys, enjoy the day and stay safe please :).
 
Jesus wept, I only asked a question out of interest. How the hell are you supposed to have a discussion when any question gets accused of trying to get a rise?
 
Jesus wept, I only asked a question out of interest. How the hell are you supposed to have a discussion when any question gets accused of trying to get a rise?
My apologies if it came across strong dude, was just trying to answer some of the questions posted in the thread and didn't mean to be negative when quoting that.
Just in the sense that usually people make that sort of statement without willing to understand the reasoning or context behind why. Hence why I said 'usually'!

Happy to continue a discussion if you'd like to know more, I'll do my best to answer respectfully
 
Skaif summed it all up perfectly.

Anyway, Eid Mubarak. It’s been a very fast Ramadan this year and I did feel the last week as a struggle but have had plenty of time to self reflect, improve myself as a person and actually gain an appetite.
 
Why's that then? Lovely weather the year round, tax free salary, amazing places to go and see and plenty for kids to do.

Oh and no-one stabs anyone here for the fun of it. Kids aren't forced to think like lgbtqstuvwxyz sheeple and it's probably one of the safest places to be.

Oh I am glad you asked why....https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/qatar/report-qatar/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/qatar/report-qatar/
I always find it hugely ironic when a religious person calls other people "sheeple" you're exactly that for following Islam xD
 
Oh I am glad you asked why....https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/qatar/report-qatar/
I always find it hugely ironic when a religious person calls other people "sheeple" you're exactly that for following Islam xD
Lol guess I walked into that one eh? I am aware that it has certain issues but for the most part they are overplayed and they don't necessarily affect me or my family so I'm OK with that I suppose.

The difference with religion and a religious person is the belief in a higher power that we follow. Not the man made sillyness that we see today.
 
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Why should I move when I was sat on the table/room first?

Yes I am certain you demand people move

If you are sat somewhere that serves bacon it has nothing to do with you who eats where. Not that you do.

Also it makes me laugh concerning the consumption of alcohol how no-one does. Years ago a guy I knew worked in the Middle East and everyone with money drank. A lot.
 
Lol guess I walked into that one eh? I am aware that it has certain issues but for the most part they are overplayed and they don't necessarily affect me or my family so I'm OK with that I suppose.

The difference with religion and a religious person is the belief in a higher power that we follow. Not the man made sillyness that we see today.

These kind of comments just keep on proving that religion makes me behave worse not better and religion is exactly that, man made sillyness.
 
Also it makes me laugh concerning the consumption of alcohol how no-one does. Years ago a guy I knew worked in the Middle East and everyone with money drank. A lot.

When I worked in oil and gas I used to deal with a lot of Arabs. Every time they came to the UK for a meeting they headed to strip clubs and bars. The done thing was that we'd typically put something together for their 2nd night in the country (we normally let visitors have the 1st night to fully chill after travel) and they complained that it didn't involve a location that served alcohol (it was an asian restaurant followed by a theatre show).
 
These kind of comments just keep on proving that religion makes me behave worse not better and religion is exactly that, man made sillyness.
Can I ask how religion makes you behave worse?

When I worked in oil and gas I used to deal with a lot of Arabs. Every time they came to the UK for a meeting they headed to strip clubs and bars. The done thing was that we'd typically put something together for their 2nd night in the country (we normally let visitors have the 1st night to fully chill after travel) and they complained that it didn't involve a location that served alcohol (it was an asian restaurant followed by a theatre show).
Important point to note here is that religion and Arabs are not one and the same. I completely get that there are Arabs that will throw their beliefs to the wind when in a situation that allows it, but that is not a reflection on the religion.

As I pointed out earlier, the influence of Western culture in many Arab countries is what has changed the way they act. Its important to remember that 'Arabs' were just desert farmers up until quite recently and the mass influx of wealth has led to a certain level of corruption within the religion.

Its nothing new, looking through history many great Islamic empires have risen and fallen in a similar fashion. I.e. Muslims have very little and are closer to God. They then get more wealth, conquer countries and fall to the bounties of the world and the faith takes a back seat. They subsequently fall, only for the cycle to start again.
 
Important point to note here is that religion and Arabs are not one and the same. I completely get that there are Arabs that will throw their beliefs to the wind when in a situation that allows it, but that is not a reflection on the religion.

As I pointed out earlier, the influence of Western culture in many Arab countries is what has changed the way they act. Its important to remember that 'Arabs' were just desert farmers up until quite recently and the mass influx of wealth has led to a certain level of corruption within the religion.

Its nothing new, looking through history many great Islamic empires have risen and fallen in a similar fashion. I.e. Muslims have very little and are closer to God. They then get more wealth, conquer countries and fall to the bounties of the world and the faith takes a back seat. They subsequently fall, only for the cycle to start again.

Completely agree. It's amazing how many people who zealously preach/practice a religion give it up when something small changes. The guys in question were all Muslim and well...we all know what the laws are like in the Arab states.
 
Why should I move when I was sat on the table/room first?

If it's a shared/public space such as a break room then they are perfectly entitled to eat their meal there.

YOU are the one with the issue with it, bourne of a personal CHOICE to follow a theology that prohbits ingestation of certain food stuffs.
 
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