Ramadan Mubarak

Robbo · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:17

T345 said:
Why? They are my beliefs, what kind of religion do you follow?

None. Though I am technically a Christian I think...

Castiel said:
He is 12. I am sure as he gets older and more informed, both abput his own faith and the alternatives then he will begin to question his beliefs and the justifications behind them, he may decide they still fit in with his worldview, or he may find another interpretation or school of Islam that suits him better...he may find that another relogion or no relogion suits him...

But at only 12, he is still forming those opinion and the very fact that he comes onto and contributes to a forum as diverse as this will only make his education that much broader.

That's quite true, there's always hope for him yet. I'm not saying he should abandon his religion, but you should always question everything where possible!

T345 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:18

Robbo said:
None.

That's your opinion

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Castiel · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:19

T345 said:
I want to follow my religion, will never change, from a pure Muslim origin (Afghan) but I was not born there, and I was born here. I will never question my religion

You should always question your beliefs and the justifications for those beliefs...on a personal level it will help you toward a better understanding of yourself, your chosen religion and the world around you.

Islam should not be teaching you to never question, quite the contrary.

Moothead2 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:19

T345 said:
I want to follow my religion, will never change, from a pure Muslim origin (Afghan) but I was not born there, and I was born here. I will never question my religion

T345 said:
Why? They are my beliefs, what kind of religion do you follow?

I believe he was referring to the part in bold. Not questioning something you believe isn't good in any situation.

Castiel · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:20

Robbo said:
That's quite true, there's always hope for him yet. I'm not saying he should abandon his religion, but you should always question everything where possible!

Indeed...understanding only comes from questions.

T345 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:20

Castiel said:
You should always question your beliefs and the justifications for those beliefs...on a personal level it will help you toward a better understanding of yourself, your chosen religion and the world around you.

Islam should not be teaching you to never question, quite the contrary.

I question things, but I would not think, 'hmm, I wonder if Allah is not real.'
I would never think that, in 20 years lets see if I am still a Muslim

dirtychinchilla · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:22

T345 said:
I want to follow my religion, will never change, from a pure Muslim origin (Afghan) but I was not born there, and I was born here. I will never question my religion

But you would you not question your religion? I'm not trying to bait you or anything, but surely it's important to question your religion. You might find you end up doing it naturally as you realise some things don't match up etc...

T345 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:23

dirtychinchilla said:
But you would you not question your religion? I'm not trying to bait you or anything, but surely it's important to question your religion. You might find you end up doing it naturally as you realise some things don't match up etc...

I understand, but I don't really see a point in questioning my religion, or how I exist in this world, I am lucky to be alive

Castiel · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:25

T345 said:
I question things, but I would not think, 'hmm, I wonder if Allah is not real.'
I would never think that, in 20 years lets see if I am still a Muslim

I expect you ask that question to yourself at some point, everyone questions their faith, I would be surprised if some of our more learned Muslim compatriots such as e36adz had not questioned their faith at some point, if not more than once.

I am agnostic and I question my beliefs and philosophical positions all the time, it is how I learn and grow, both spiritually and temporally.

I am sure when your studies gain substance and depth as you get older and as you begin to understand more complex theologies within your chosen religion you will also question more....remember, asking questions about yourself and your strength of faith is not questioning God, it is about developing and realising your own place in the world and your own sense of self....and for someone of faith that is essential to your personal relationship with your God.

T345 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:26

Castiel said:
I expect you ask that question to yourself at some point, everyone questions their faith, I would be surprised if some of our more learned Muslim compatriots such as e36adz had not questioned their faith at some point, if not more than once.

I am agnostic and I question my beliefs and philosphers all the time, it is how I learn and grow, both spiritually and temporally.

Well we can ask him/ her

trigger-happy · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:27

If you got questions go see a imam or anyone who has religious knowledge about Islam, then you can make up your own mind, your still young so those thoughts probably will change in time.

ToxicTBag · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:28

Ramadan mubarak people , there's a lot to whinge about in this country but am proud that its still such a diverse mix of cultures

Cleeecooo · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:28

T345 said:
Dunno, wait till someone with more experience than me comes along
I think that it is because it makes the chicken/ goat etc not really a sacrifice to Allah, since you won't be slaughtering it in the way Muslims did it before the electricity method was invented

Cloudstomp said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah

Also see Halal to get to Dhabihah

I think the reason why there is still some debate on 'stunning' before slaughter being acceptable comes from
"Forbidden for you are carrion, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered while proclaiming the name of any other than God, and one killed by strangling, and one killed with blunt weapons, and one which died by falling, and that which was gored by the horns of some animal, and one eaten by a wild beast, except those whom you slaughter; and that which is slaughtered at the altar and that which is distributed by the throwing of arrows [for an omen]; this is an act of sin"

Some more reading for you.

http://www.organic-halal-meat.com/article/stunning.php

Castiel said:
Over 90% of Halal prepared livestock is slaughtered using stunning, just as it is in regular slaughterhouses....given the requirements of Halal with the raising of livestock, it is fair to say that Halal raised livestock have superior conditions during their life than other forms of raising livestock, particularly intensive or battery raised animals.

Is Halal in this country more likely to mean that animal has suffered less?

Craterloads · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:29

T345 said:
I understand, but I don't really see a point in questioning my religion, or how I exist in this world, I am lucky to be alive

I think "questioning" is the wrong term to use maybe, in the sense you are interpreting it. But researching your faith is a part of Islam and is something every Muslim should do.

But given your age the best source is your parents, once of age do it your self fromthe source.

cheets64 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:31

This thread sure took a different avenue.

What do Muslims think of Christians, can we really live side by side? I just cant see it happening myself, both have ways of life that cant integrate.

trigger-happy · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:33

whoa, this thread has gone off topic lol.

cheets64 said:
What do Muslims think of Christians, can we really live side by side? I just cant see it happening myself, both have ways of life that cant integrate.

Yes we can. I talk to them every day on a daily basis, a few of them are my closest friends. You forget Islam and Christianity have a lot of common fundamentals including the 10 commandments. We may worship God differently but I tend to see them as brothers. Its just the minority extremists who think we cant.

Hicks · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:34

cheets64 said:
This thread sure took a different avenue.

What do Muslims think of Christians, can we really live side by side? I just cant see it happening myself, both have ways of life that cant integrate.

You could say it took it's natural course really.
It went from fasting to talk of food to the killing of food with a bit of why, who and how....?

Edit: The bolded is certainly a different avenue though...

T345 · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:37

Good night, can't type fast on my psp

Cleeecooo · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:38

cheets64 said:
This thread sure took a different avenue.

What do Muslims think of Christians, can we really live side by side? I just cant see it happening myself, both have ways of life that cant integrate.

No, idiots woth differig views can't live together.

Educated, normal people can set differences aside and live harmoniously side by side no problem.

Craterloads · 22 Jul 2012 at 23:40

cheets64 said:
This thread sure took a different avenue.

What do Muslims think of Christians, can we really live side by side? I just cant see it happening myself, both have ways of life that cant integrate.

I love my Christian and Jewish brothers, the above religions are suprisingly similar, so suprised you think so! The law of the land must be obeyed, where it isnt contrary to core values.

In this country its more to do with the fact Christianity is pretty gone from everyday life.