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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Wolverine2349 said:
I do want something ASAP that I can pair with a RTX 4090 and not bottleneck it at 1440P. The choice is either 8 core Ryzen 7700X3D or Raptor Lake 13700K or 13900K and of course the e-waste cores will be shut down on Raptor Lake if I go that route and I will try and overclock all 8 P cores as high as I can on a large dual tower air cooler.

Do you see the Ryzen 7700X3D soundly beating or even demolishing Raptor Lake in gaming?? Or because of the broken memory controller on Zen 4 is the 3D version of Zen 4 going to be to Raptor Lake what the 3D version of Zen 3 was to high end Alder Lake in that it will trade blows in gaming while 8 P-core Alder Lake even with e-cores disabled is also better for everything else??

Cause if the 3D Zen 4 is going to handily or easily beat Raptor Lake in gaming than worth waiting for.

Though could a lot depend on how well tuned you do to Raptor Lake and the RAM where as tuning those will not do a thing for 3D Zen 4 given the poor memory controller and 3D cache to compensate??
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You'd want something like an arctic AFII 360 aio for cooling. Not an air cooler. That's just a bad idea tbh.

X3D having a large L3 pool means it'll be less dependent on system RAM. The whole point of a large L3 is to not let the instructions goto system memory and keep it within the Cache so they can be processed faster thus you see the FPS gains in a lot of titles when looking at 5800x vs 5800x3d. I have no idea how it will or won't perform, ETA, limitations, etc. It'll certainly be better than current Zen4 for gaming. There's no doubt there.
 
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one person already has a 13900k

Here is performance numbers, he says he hasn't set manual clocks, it's normal boost behaviour but he has increased the voltages and it's running 1.37v. 360mm AIO cooler.

Power draw is 292w. CPU temp is 85c and R23 multithread score is 40k



 
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sparkymark75 said:
Usually the flashback feature is designed to allow you to do the BIOS update with no CPU, memory, etc fitted. So I would probably try it that way first unless your motherboard manufacturer states otherwise.
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I have now read that in the case of Asus you can do either. Flashback only requires power to be present, but can also be done on a fully assembled PC. You don’t boot it up in the normal way so it doesn’t matter if components have been installed.
 
IT Troll said:
The updates were announced around July time. My board got it in August and was manufactured earlier this year. So I’m hoping Flashback works as advertised.

Does anyone know if it is OK to fit the new processor and then power up and use Flashback to add support for that processor?
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Yeah no CPU at all needed. Works fine... Z690 so far Bios are very immature... Management engine not great at all..
 
Grim5 said:
one person already has a 13900k

Here is performance numbers, he says he hasn't set manual clocks, it's normal boost behaviour but he has increased the voltages and it's running 1.37v. 360mm AIO cooler.

Power draw is 292w. CPU temp is 85c and R23 multithread score is 40k



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Rather thank increased voltage for stock runs better to use offset -0.05v really lowers temps with no perf loss..
 
Wolverine2349 said:
...the broken memory controller on Zen 4...
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Wolverine2349 said:
...3D Zen 4 given the poor memory controller...
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Hang on, hang on...what is this nonsense you're saying?


Wolverine2349 said:
...of course the e-waste cores will be shut down on Raptor Lake if I go that route...
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Wolverine2349 said:
...pair with a RTX 4090 and not bottleneck it at 1440P...
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More money than brains, eh? Why would you spend silly money on Raptor lake and turn half of it off? Why would you spend insane money on a 4090 (with PSU that can handle it, and probably a new case to fit it) and then game at 1440P
 
8 Pack said:
Yeah no CPU at all needed. Works fine... Z690 so far Bios are very immature... Management engine not great at all..
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The latest bios update from Asus on my Z690 itx seems to be quite abit of an improvement, system is definitely a lot more stable. Was so wonky before, you knew something was up but can't put your finger on it.
 
Bencher said:
Wait what, isn't that a good thing? Unless im missing something, the fact that it needs a LOT of power to reach 95c is a positive, since it doesn't require overkill cooling like competitive products.
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Oh we playing the twist and turn game again ?
Let's forget all about efficiency you bang about whatever suits your agenda twist and turn

Offset would likely be more beneficial if it can match or beat while using less power yeah I'll be impressed

Also in future if I don't respond don't take it personally I don't blame you I blame myself to keeping you entertained
 
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uscool said:
Oh we playing the twist and turn game again ?
Let's forget all about efficiency you bang about whatever suits your agenda twist and turn

Offset would likely be more beneficial if it can match or beat while using less power yeah I'll be impressed

Also in future if I don't respond don't take it personally I don't blame you I blame myself to keeping you entertained
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No twist and turn, you said imagine the power that would be needed for that, responding to a point about performance at 95c. I thought you meant that because of how easy RPL is to cool, it needs lots of power to reach that temperature - unlike competitive products. Did you mean something else?

If you wanna talk about efficiency, sure - but we need to get them on our hands first. Im sure that in the low end there is no competition in either performance or efficiency, RPL will be wiping lots of floors using zen 4 as the mop. And that's not fanboyism, zen 4 can't even catch up to ALD at the low end. The 7950x is the only competitive product.
 
Robert896r1 said:
You'd want something like an arctic AFII 360 aio for cooling. Not an air cooler. That's just a bad idea tbh.

X3D having a large L3 pool means it'll be less dependent on system RAM. The whole point of a large L3 is to not let the instructions goto system memory and keep it within the Cache so they can be processed faster thus you see the FPS gains in a lot of titles when looking at 5800x vs 5800x3d. I have no idea how it will or won't perform, ETA, limitations, etc. It'll certainly be better than current Zen4 for gaming. There's no doubt there.
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I never use liquid cooling and am an air only cooler.

I feel if I limit myself to 8 cores I can overlock really high on good air with modern tech. Now more than 8 cores different story as so hard to cool at all core high clock speed.

And L3 cache yes means less dependent on system RAM. But L3 cache is always faster than even fastest RAM right so it would usually be better even with well tuned RAM as it is SRAM which is much faster and closer to CPU than System DRAM.
 
LePhuronn said:
Hang on, hang on...what is this nonsense you're saying?




More money than brains, eh? Why would you spend silly money on Raptor lake and turn half of it off? Why would you spend insane money on a 4090 (with PSU that can handle it, and probably a new case to fit it) and then game at 1440P
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Because Intel has no 8 core CPU without the e-waste cores. I hate those cores but love the P cores. If only Intel made a well binned 8 P core CPU for less money than great. AMD has 8 only good core CPUs, but those Zen 4 cores are weaker clock for clock than Golden COve and Raptor Cove for gaming unless they get the 3D cache out on it.

And 4090 for 1440P gaming. Well I have a 240Hz 1440P G Sync monitor and love to max out all settings with super smooth high FPS. Red Dead Redemption 2 even with 3090 Ti has parts of the game dropping to the 50s and sometimes 40s rarely with settings on near max.
 
95c benches coming in hot!

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