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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

edit - Just realised someone already posted that the 13600K and KF are showing on the website for order.

Stock must be quite limited on the 13600K guess there have been quite a lot of pre-orders for this chip?
 
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Apologies for asking what has probably already been covered pages back but can use the new CPUs in our z690 motherboards? Even if we're cheapskates who bought the DDR4 ones?
 
Robert896r1 said:
Think Suez Canal and the Fabric being your canal. On either side is a big body of data but it’s limited by the canal itself.

AMD failed to make the fabric wider which is a problem since ddr5 is all about big bandwidth via high frequency.

Ultimately, if you want amd, wait for x3d whenever that shows up. Otherwise adl if on a budget or rpl if wanting something newer.
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I do want something ASAP that I can pair with a RTX 4090 and not bottleneck it at 1440P. The choice is either 8 core Ryzen 7700X3D or Raptor Lake 13700K or 13900K and of course the e-waste cores will be shut down on Raptor Lake if I go that route and I will try and overclock all 8 P cores as high as I can on a large dual tower air cooler.

Do you see the Ryzen 7700X3D soundly beating or even demolishing Raptor Lake in gaming?? Or because of the broken memory controller on Zen 4 is the 3D version of Zen 4 going to be to Raptor Lake what the 3D version of Zen 3 was to high end Alder Lake in that it will trade blows in gaming while 8 P-core Alder Lake even with e-cores disabled is also better for everything else??

Cause if the 3D Zen 4 is going to handily or easily beat Raptor Lake in gaming than worth waiting for.

Though could a lot depend on how well tuned you do to Raptor Lake and the RAM where as tuning those will not do a thing for 3D Zen 4 given the poor memory controller and 3D cache to compensate??
 
What’s the difference in the OEM, just the box? My paranoid mind tells me retailers go through them all for the best overclockers and if they are flops they sell them as OEM. I like keeping boxes but I mean if there is no difference, and they are cheaper I can do without.
 
Harshell123 said:
What’s the difference in the OEM, just the box? My paranoid mind tells me retailers go through them all for the best overclockers and if they are flops they sell them as OEM. I like keeping boxes but I mean if there is no difference, and they are cheaper I can do without.
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Different warranty too.
Unless a retailer is selling loads of pre-overclocked systems, why would they even bother testing them?
 
smilingcrow said:
Different warranty too.
Unless a retailer is selling loads of pre-overclocked systems, why would they even bother testing them?
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Thats the only reason I can see it happening, if at all. Highly doubt it. What’s the warranty difference?
 
Harshell123 said:
What’s the difference in the OEM, just the box? My paranoid mind tells me retailers go through them all for the best overclockers and if they are flops they sell them as OEM. I like keeping boxes but I mean if there is no difference, and they are cheaper I can do without.
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Overclockers usually buy the OEM CPUs in bulk to test them, so highly unlikely there is any difference in bins, else they would buy boxed..
 
Wolverine2349 said:
I do want something ASAP that I can pair with a RTX 4090 and not bottleneck it at 1440P.
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I don't think that CPU currently exists, you'd be better off upgrading your screen to 4K else no matter which CPU you use you'd be leaving a lot of performance untapped.
 
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Joxeon said:
I don't think that CPU currently exists, you'd be better off upgrading your screen to 4K else no matter which CPU you use you'd be leaving a lot of performance untapped.
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By saying such CPU does not currently exist, are you including the upcoming Raptor Lake and Zen 4 3d cache?? Cause Raptor Lake is only 8 days away form hitting shelves and Zen 4 3D cache is due in Q1 2023.
 
Hmph, I hadn't realised the 12400f had gone up to £200 already. I'm guessing the 13400 is going to come in closer to £250 which makes it a much less appealing buy.
 
cfletch said:
A lot of the boards got updates 4/5 months ago so if the stock has worked through you might get away with it
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The updates were announced around July time. My board got it in August and was manufactured earlier this year. So I’m hoping Flashback works as advertised.

Does anyone know if it is OK to fit the new processor and then power up and use Flashback to add support for that processor?
 
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IT Troll said:
The updates were announced around July time. My board got it in August and was manufactured earlier this year. So I’m hoping Flashback works as advertised.

Does anyone know if it is OK to fit the new processor and then power up and use Flashback to add support for that processor?
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Usually the flashback feature is designed to allow you to do the BIOS update with no CPU, memory, etc fitted. So I would probably try it that way first unless your motherboard manufacturer states otherwise.
 
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