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Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments

Do we really want CPUs that draw more power than the 12900K / KS though?

From what I've heard, the Deepcool Assassin 3 air cooler can handle the 12900K at stock, so probably is suitable for the 12900KS also. But there's probably less than 10 degrees of margin before hitting 80 Celsius, under full load.

Also, the 12900KS can reach 5.5ghz on some of the P-cores, the rumours for the 13900K point towards clock speeds of upto 5.8ghz, presumably on some P-Cores only. So, that should be less than a 10% increase in clock speed.

Maybe if Intel include the rumoured voltage regulator in the new LGA1700 motherboards, this will offset some of the increased power consumption, but this would be less of an issue perhaps for the i7 and i5 13th gen models.

One positive thing to say though, is that if the above rumour is correct, it's likely that most of Intel's 13th generation will be able to handle clock speeds of 5ghz or above.

Anyway, it seems likely that any boost in performance would mostly be coming from the increased L2 and L3 cache amounts. Cache increases are something that mostly boosts gaming performance, as we saw in the 5800X3D reviews, when comparing it to the 5800X.
 
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Do we really want CPUs that draw more power than the 12900K / KS though?

From what I've heard, the Deepcool Assassin 3 air cooler can handle the 12900K at stock, so probably is suitable for the 12900KS also. But there's probably less than 10 degrees of margin before hitting 80 Celsius, under full load.

Also, the 12900KS can reach 5.5ghz on some of the P-cores, the rumours for the 13900K point towards clock speeds of upto 5.8ghz, presumably on some P-Cores only. So, that should be less than a 10% increase in clock speed.

Maybe if Intel include the rumoured voltage regulator in the new LGA1700 motherboards, this will offset some of the increased power consumption, but this would be less of an issue perhaps for the i7 and i5 13th gen models.

One positive thing to say though, is that if the above rumour is correct, it's likely that most of Intel's 13th generation will be able to handle clock speeds of 5ghz or above.

Anyway, it seems likely that any boost in performance would mostly be coming from the increased L2 and L3 cache amounts. Cache increases are something that mostly boosts gaming performance, as we saw in the 5800X3D reviews, when comparing it to the 5800X.

The cooler thing is way out of proportion. I have a small single tower air cooler on a 12900k. At stock cbr23 it peaks at 76. Undervolted it's at 65. Oced to hell and beyond (5.4ghz all core with TVB / 5.6 ghz single core) it hits 90c, but that's an insane oc so yeah.. I think the biggest issue is the actually 1700 bracket, probably lots of companies messed up and you end up with huge 360 aios not able to cool the 12900k. So it's mostly a bracket issue, get a noctua cooler and you are golden
 
Hmm... Hadn't considered that. I would've thought they'd have sorted out the brackets by now, but I suppose this doesn't account for people using pre-existing coolers.

It's quite a big problem for Intel I think, it's bound to have a negative effect on sales of their i9 CPUs.
 
Is the new Raptor Lake voltage regulator on the CPU or the motherboard? Thought it was on the CPU but someone here referenced the motherboard. Ie could you pick up an Alder Lake DDR4 board (because Intel wants all the next gen boards to be DDR5) but still benefit from the new regulator on the Raptor Lake CPUs?
 
Is the new Raptor Lake voltage regulator on the CPU or the motherboard? Thought it was on the CPU but someone here referenced the motherboard. Ie could you pick up an Alder Lake DDR4 board (because Intel wants all the next gen boards to be DDR5) but still benefit from the new regulator on the Raptor Lake CPUs?
If you can use RPL on 12th gen boards, it must be the same, surely?
 
Is the new Raptor Lake voltage regulator on the CPU or the motherboard? Thought it was on the CPU but someone here referenced the motherboard. Ie could you pick up an Alder Lake DDR4 board (because Intel wants all the next gen boards to be DDR5) but still benefit from the new regulator on the Raptor Lake CPUs?

From everything I've read it's on the CPU considering it's drop in compatible with Z690 boards, Will likely move to the mobo with Meteorlake.
 
It's looking to me like the successor to Cascade Lake X (enthusiast grade CPUs) will be a much bigger upgrade than Raptor Lake CPUs.

Wouldn't surprise me if any enhancements to Golden Cove that Raptor Lake gets will also be present in Alder Lake X / whatever it's called. Although, I haven't seen any evidence of single threaded IPC improvements so far for Raptor Lake.

Intel had enthusiast CPUs with upto 18 CPU cores (10980XE) in November 2019:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_Lake_(microprocessor)

The all core boost clocks on these were pretty poor, at just 3.8 GHz, so Intel could easily improve on that.

Before that, the Skylake X based 7980XE also had 18 cores.

I think it will probably just be called Raptor Lake X, and launch at about the same time, with at least 18 CPU cores for the top model, presumably P cores only.

If they do offer Golden Cove enthusiast CPUs, these boards would likely support DDR5 with Quad channel memory support.
 
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Is the new Raptor Lake voltage regulator on the CPU or the motherboard? Thought it was on the CPU but someone here referenced the motherboard. Ie could you pick up an Alder Lake DDR4 board (because Intel wants all the next gen boards to be DDR5) but still benefit from the new regulator on the Raptor Lake CPUs?


It must be on the cpu there is no way it's on the motherboard
 
Yeah, alderlake is way more efficient in gaming than zen 3. Lots of tests have been done (derbauer / igorslab). Zen 3 has up to 50% less efficiency in gaming.

Zen 3 is over year older ?

Supposedly 'K' gains at most 3% and that's at 720p

Also watched few reviews with total system power with some of the games below and gap between seems to be accurate

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Zen 3 is winning on power consumption, but I think the 12700K wins overall, since it runs cooler at stock settings using the same cooler:
https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/images/cpu-temperature.png

The other factor to take into account, is that the 12700K has more overclocking headroom, but only if you have a very good cooler.

I expect all of this will seem irrelevant by the end of the year though.

Looking at the trouble people have had cooling the 12900K and KS, do you reckon there will be any coolers that can cool an 18 core Golden Cove CPU, aka 'Alder Lake X'?

Because if not, that pretty much means they would have to be clocked down somewhat.

I'm assuming it would be 18 cores (or more) as the last few enthusiast generations have had this many.
 
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Zen 3 is winning on power consumption, but I think the 12700K wins overall, since it runs cooler at stock settings using the same cooler:
https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-i7-12700k-alder-lake-12th-gen/images/cpu-temperature.png

The other factor to take into account, is that the 12700K has more overclocking headroom, but only if you have a very good cooler.

I expect all of this will seem irrelevant by the end of the year though.

12th gen Alder Lake wins in gaming power consumption though (in the vast majority of games), which is a very important consideration for many. Especially when using DDR5, since it has lower voltage requirements compared to DDR4.

Example:

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Source: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-c...-wifi-g-skill-trident-z5-ddr5-6000-memory/15/
 
12th gen Alder Lake wins in gaming power consumption though (in the vast majority of games), which is a very important consideration for many. Especially when using DDR5, since it has lower voltage requirements compared to DDR4.

Example:

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Source: https://wccftech.com/review/intel-c...-wifi-g-skill-trident-z5-ddr5-6000-memory/15/

Don't think ddr5 will make up the power consumption to the 5800x3d in gaming
https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-ryze...d-as-perfect-and-above-all-efficient-upgrade/

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Only 8 cores though, it gets absolutely wrecked in any multi-core workload. AMD would have been onto a huge winner if they'd have made 5900X3D and 5950X3D, though would probably have negated Zen4 from having much of an improvement!

Didn't stop you getting rocket lake not so long ago which was 8 cores :p

It's marketed for gaming just pop in upgrade example someone with 5 year old board could drop this in and get gaming boost or anyone with ryzen 3000 and below wanting gaming boost we'll have to wait for zen4 to see workload improvements

Cache doesn't make any or much difference for multi core workloads so 5900x/5950x wouldn't have made any difference

needs higher clocks , IPC and other architecture improvements
 
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