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Poll: Ray Tracing - Do we care?
- Thread starter StarShock
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Tragic but not unexpected. We are already close to the limit of gpu performance as we know it today so Nvidia need to come up with a way to sell us gpu we never knew we needed, I predict that the majority of gamers will be turning ray tracing off 90% of the time. GPU's will need a lot more oomph before ray-tracing can become main stream & for Nvidia that's perfect. They can't afford to have people content with Pascal, They need to have people turning the highest settings off so they feel like they need to buy an RTX, It seems that we're a really gullible bunch that have brought it on ourselves.
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Yeah, I think we need time to reflect on that...
Not in a poor light?
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Not with RT on it won't, RT is Nvidia's new way of nobbling their own last gen cards.
On my 75hz 3440x1440 Freesync monitor I find that running at 60+ with minimums staying above 50 is fine, That said, staying above 60 is vital in racing games like Dirt 4.
I doubt anyone in the real gaming world will disagree with that, 30 fps is a joke just like £1200 is if it's not far ahead of a 1080ti without Ray Tracing
At the meagre price of 1200 big ones....
Is that a real quote? I actually burst out laughing.
Sadly so, It was back when AC Unity hit the market( face first).
Caporegime
If we go by their RTX on/off BF comparison, with ROTTR.
Here we have RTX on (light source behind Laura, off screen, just like the tanks flame in BF, which was off screen, to the left):-
Same shot, with the RTX off :-
Here we have RTX on (light source behind Laura, off screen, just like the tanks flame in BF, which was off screen, to the left):-
Same shot, with the RTX off :-
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That's the smart choice but for the RTX owner it then begs the question why am I spending £1200 for a capability I have to turn of anyway?
If we go by their RTX on/off BF comparison, with ROTTR.
Here we have RTX on (light source behind Laura, off screen, just like the tanks flame in BF, which was off screen, to the left):-
Same shot, RTX off :-
LOL.
Just did a quick GTX-O/s calculation. The 2080 managed 12 GTX-OP/s. The Titan P-p-Z managed 0.000009/-2 GTX OPs per minute
Bravo!! Pay the hiked pricing for the main selling point but only to have it disabled in games because the hardware is not actually fast enough to handle it real-world gaming rofl
That's like paying the price premium for a Bluetooth headphone but it sound awful via Bluetooth, so the solution is to use it in wired mode
I completely agree with you. nVidia have gone too far.
Ray tracing in the future will be great, i mean the technology itself is pretty darn good.
To shuv it on to their new cards though and charge twice as much as the 1080ti for RT performance that could by all reports be laughable, is pretty much nVidia laughing at us, quite literally laughing at us.
Isnt your maths off ? 1080ti is 1.2Grey's, 2080Ti is 10Grey. Basically 8 into 30 doesnt equal 12.
Bare in mind I said maximum 12 and that the bottleneck isn't just the pure ray tracing load.
Does RT all have to be done by the GPU, can't any of the instructions be done by the CPU ?
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Raytracing is used selectively nearly always in production as it can rapidly increase render times and is usually set on a material/shader level alongside global render settings, camera lens shaders and utility nodes for example to calculate distance from the camera focal plane to control ray recursion depth.
In a hall of mirrors you’d need maybe 10 bounces/ray recursions per ray to get believable reflections, a mirror ball reflecting a non-reflective environment would only need 1 bounce/recursion from the object to get believable reflections.
It will be the same if not even more optimised in game engines compared to traditional CPU based rendering, this is also where the combination of raytracing processors and the AI/neural net processors in Turing have a lot of potential.
The meat of the processing is pure brute force lots of iterations of simple calculations that work well on highly parallel architectures so a CPU isn't really very effective for offloading work from it.
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It blows my mind that people have handed over £700+ on a graphics card without seeing how it performs against older generations of GPU’s.
Theses fancy new lighting effect do look good, but if a game runs like complete turd with them enabled what’s the point?
Am I missing something? I just can’t get my head around people buying these
£1200+ for 30fps @1080p and fancy lighting???
Theses fancy new lighting effect do look good, but if a game runs like complete turd with them enabled what’s the point?
Am I missing something? I just can’t get my head around people buying these
£1200+ for 30fps @1080p and fancy lighting???
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People claiming they will cancel their pre orders if it doesn't satisfy.
However, some posters have sold their 1080 ti's and pre ordered which is insanity to me. Pretty big leap of faith there that these cards will offer a worthwhile performance bump worthy of the 1.2 grand price tag....
It's ok though each to their own! As long as you guys admit you've been fleeced by shillvidia we are cool. No need to get defensive about it!
Or maybe I will be the one eating my words if they turn out to be super powerful
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Yeah only time will tell, as soon as they get in consumers hands we will see some real hands on benchmarks, I don’t really care about the ray tracing stuff, I just want brute force to run 4k properly, ideally at around the £500 mark, so the 2070.People claiming they will cancel their pre orders if it doesn't satisfy.
However, some posters have sold their 1080 ti's and pre ordered which is insanity to me. Pretty big leap of faith there that these cards will offer a worthwhile performance bump worthy of the 1.2 grand price tag....
It's ok though each to their own! As long as you guys admit you've been fleeced by shillvidia we are cool. No need to get defensive about it!
Or maybe I will be the one eating my words if they turn out to be super powerful
Like you say, each their own
Soldato
Yeah not bothered about RT with PS4 frame rates.
However if it massively outperforms my 1080ti without it......it's time to get the wallet out.
However if it massively outperforms my 1080ti without it......it's time to get the wallet out.
The entire point of doing rays on the GPU is because CPUs suck at it:
NB: Don't try and convert between AMDs Mrays and Nvidia's Gigarays, they're not even using the same measurement system, like things would ever be that simple lol.