RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[Black Noir]

Yes, the RTX 3080 was the best selling card on OCUK IIRC.

Didn't I see you in the F1 thread the other day saying you can't afford Sky F1 prices? Sounds like you do have a budget but are trying to justify your 4090 purchase to yourself.

I can afford Sky, I just choose not to give them £70 a month for something I can get for £7 a month. Crucially the F1TV subscription offers better functionality (performance) which is my main criteria.

Personally speaking I don’t have a budget… I’d have bought whichever was quicker regardless of the cost and feel quite happy that my 4090 will be the faster card. If AMD had the faster card, I’d have picked that up too.

My disappointment comes from the golden opportunity AMD had with the 4090 pricing. If they managed to get within 5% or better of the performance for less they’d have buyers throwing themselves at the cards.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Better version = more cost. = the more you buy the more he makes!

 

[sparkymark75]

Looking forward to the reviews. Not sure if I'll get the XT or XTX yet.

 

[fs123]

Not appreciable so

Nvidia cards face a driver overhead issue at lower resolutions resulting in a CPU bottleneck which gets eliminated at higher resolutions.

If you want apples to apples then just look at the 4K framerates. The 4090 video of Valorant shows that it gets around 540fps average at 4K which is far less than the 704 fps AMD is showing in the chart for the 7900XTX at 4K. Even with DLSS on, the 4090 cannot get higher than 600fps in all the videos I've seen.

 

[TOW]

I can afford Sky, I just choose not to give them £70 a month for something I can get for £7 a month. Crucially the F1TV subscription offers better functionality (performance) which is my main criteria.

Personally speaking I don’t have a budget… I’d have bought whichever was quicker regardless of the cost and feel quite happy that my 4090 will be the faster card. If AMD had the faster card, I’d have picked that up too.

My disappointment comes from the golden opportunity AMD had with the 4090 pricing. If they managed to get within 5% or better of the performance for less they’d have buyers throwing themselves at the cards.

Makes you wonder if AMD are actually as incompetent as they appear or if the real story is Lisa has an agreement with her uncle not to outpace them... hmmmm

 

[Black Noir]

Better version = more cost. = the more you buy the more he makes!

Gotta fund his leather jacket!

 

[nvidiamd]

It is early days and only based on one AMD slide, but a ~50% - 70% improvement in RT performance over the 6950, is right around the 3090 for RT. AMD were never epxected to match the 4090 for RT and now that it meets that expectation, it is suddenly "very bad"?

The RT performance is actually fairly decent given it will compete with the 3090 series and significantly beat it in raster. At the $1k price tag I would call that a decent GPU. I am waiting to see how 7800XT goes, but at least now I know that it will be a lot faster than my 3080 FE and be a lot less than $899. If I was wanting a decent Nvidia upgrade I was looking at the joke priced 4080 16GB. These AMD 7900 GPUs and their prices have just slapped the $1200 4080 16GB silly.

Yet still we see the AMD = "not good enough" nonsene.

I was expecting them to do a little better with the RT tbh. Not 4090 levels but better than last gen Nvidia. They had this problem with the RT and it probably hurt RDNA2 sales a lot.
To be fair i was also expecting the price to be 1299 ( or even more ) so they are offering a decent performance for the price. But this is a normal generation perf increase and not the revolution that ( some of us ) and AMD needed to happen.
I was laughing a lot when they were talking about those RT shadows. Who the hell cares about RT shadows? You better turn them off and save some FPS, that is the last useful thing in RT, AMD cards will look even better in benchmarks without RT shadows.

 

[Chewie]

Hi Guys,

Has Gibbo or anyone from OC UK given any hint yet on the ordering process? Will it be the usual "rush & click first" as usual on the 13th December? I will definitely be swapping my 6900 XT for a 7900 XT

 

[TOW]

Your comment is flawed since the 4090 video I linked clearly shows that the 4090 does not get higher fps at 4K even if there is a driver overhead at 1080P.

If you want apples to apples then just look at the 4K framerates. The 4090 video of Valorant shows that it gets around 540fps average at 4K which is far less than the 704 fps AMD is showing in the chart for the 7900XTX at 4K.

Facepalm... that would be a likely CPU limitation from the Nvidia drivers hahaha

You don't think 500+ fps is gonna find CPU limitations? hmmmm...

 

[Hostile_18]

Hi Guys,

Has Gibbo or anyone from OC UK given any hint yet on the ordering process? Will it be the usual "rush & click first" as usual on the 13th December? I will definitely be swapping my 6900 XT for a 7900 XT

All we know for sure is the website is going down on the 13th of December lol.

 

[brostradamus]

an interesting comparison would be a 4090 at 355 w going head to head with amd
also some more details should be available on why amd couldnt increase clocks compared to rdna2

 

[gundamgeforce]

would be interested in how it will work to order too

 

[kieran_read]

Hi Guys,

Has Gibbo or anyone from OC UK given any hint yet on the ordering process? Will it be the usual "rush & click first" as usual on the 13th December? I will definitely be swapping my 6900 XT for a 7900 XT

I hope that if there are no pre-orders he at least does something for us Forum users who wants one for themselves and are long term customers.

 

[gpuerrilla]

He normally does to be fair, especially if your nice to him! @Gibbo

 

[brostradamus]

hehe its become a trend that you can only land gpus at SEP on launch day.. has this been a long term tradition?

 

[Martini1991]

Hope my RX6800 lasts another 2 years.

 

[pc-guy]

No bench against 4090 disappointed!

 

[fs123]

Facepalm... that would be a likely CPU limitation from the Nvidia drivers hahaha

You don't think 500+ fps is gonna find CPU limitations? hmmmm...

How is AMD claiming 704fps at 4K when the 4090 cannot get past 600fps in any scenario with the best cpu's on the market? At 4K both cards should be gpu limited more than cpu limited.

 

[kieran_read]

He normally does to be fair, especially if your nice to him! @Gibbo

Well if he lists the 7900XTX for £950-£1000 i might have to do that

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I agree, but my point still stands.
If, for (let's say) $500 you get an AMD card that is faster than $350-$400 nVIDIA card in Rasterization, but slower in RT, is not much different than what happen with previous gen.

One more thing that I'd mention is that these high end cards, although we talk a lot about them, not many are buying them. 3-$400 (maybe $500) is where the large volumes and interest is. RT won't be good there for AMD (these RT performance numbers have to be on the lower/mid range cards, not high end!). Can turn ugly down the road for the red team (and its buyers) if games will utilize more and more RT effects. Strangely enough, this time around I feel that nvidia has the "fine wine" card.

But the issue is Nvidia instead of trying to use the performance leap with Ada Lovelace dGPUs to improve price/performance is trying to massively increase margins. If you look at the chip setup in the RX7950XT it has 25% more transistors than the AD103 in the RTX4080 16GB. More VRAM and memory bandwidth.

So it will be like Nvidia pricing the RTX3070/RTX3070TI 8GB against the RX6900XT/RX6950XT 16GB. AFAIK,the latter dGPUs were definitely as fast in RT compared to the former. But in rasterised performance demolished them. But instead Nvidia used a cut down higher end dGPU instead.

The data point people are also missing is AMD saying the RX7900XTX is 50% to 70% faster rasterised and RT performance at the RRP of the RX6900XT/RX6950XT.

If this is actually true for the entire range,and RX7700XT would similar/faster when compared to an RX6900XT/RX6950XT in rasterised probably around an RTX3070TI to RTX3080 in RT performance,but at under $500.