RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[sparkymark75]

There is such a wide disparity of initial opinions!

You have the AMD fans, the people on the fence, and then the nVidia fans that pretend they were interested but never were.

 

[brostradamus]

ok heres a datapoint : at -28 the baldy showed a benchmark of hitman 3 (non-RT) doing 275 fps at 4k with FSR??
i am assuming looking at the chart that 75% is pure raster which is 206 fps
what would be the number for 4090?

 

[humbug]

Hold on, those were non RT numbers.

So,

vs

So, to make it simple. 4090 does about 42fps native, vs 7900xtx (if would be double 6950xt), 26fps +/- .

Ouch. So much for good gaming for "years to come".

No i hate this.... everything there is "FSR" which is all completely meaningless, there is nothing here to gauge an actual performance comparison.

The fact that they are using unspecific upscaling tech and not native raster renders that slide utterly useless.

This is just as bad as the crap in the RTX 4090 launch.

 

[Joxeon]

It is me or the 7900XTX is getting way higher fps in Valorant than a 4090.



AMD is claiming 704fps at 4K but a 4090 is getting around 550fps at 1080P settings in this video:

What is going on here??? Is it really faster in Rasterization than a 4090 for a much lower price??

Probably lower CPU overhead than the 4090.

 

[kitkat9933]

Except wages of course, they remain low.

Yes but people making out it’s just GPUs, when it’s everything.

 

[Shaz12]

The 6900XT had less tflops than a 3080, but was faster in raster!

Not appreciable so

It is me or the 7900XTX is getting way higher fps in Valorant and Apex Legends than a 4090.



For Valorant, AMD is claiming 704fps at 4K but a 4090 is getting around 550fps at 1080P settings in this video:

The 4090 gets around 220fps at 4K in Apex legends.
What is going on here??? Is it really faster in Rasterization than a 4090 for a much lower price??

Nvidia cards face a driver overhead issue at lower resolutions resulting in a CPU bottleneck which gets eliminated at higher resolutions.

 

[uscool]

The 4090 does seem well ahead. Confuses me as AMD said its the most powerful GPU in the world near end of presentation. Just lying?

Listen carefully almost like reading the small print

 

[gpuerrilla]

You have the AMD fans, the people on the fence, and then the nVidia fans that pretend they were interested but never were.

Nail on the head mate. Same every launch. Just want to laugh and pay £1600 like its no problem

 

[ICDP]

Tbh the price is not that bad but the RT perf is very bad (at least very bad vs my expectations).
If you can find a 3090 or 3090 Ti less expensive, you can buy that instead, probably won't have the same raster perf but you will have a better RT performance and better support. Or wait for the lower end Ada, probably the 4070 will have better RT perf than RDNA 3.
Is there any reason not to buy a lower end ADA GPU around the same price?

It is early days and only based on one AMD slide, but a ~50% - 70% improvement in RT performance over the 6950, is right around the 3090 for RT. AMD were never epxected to match the 4090 for RT and now that it meets that expectation, it is suddenly "very bad"?

The RT performance is actually fairly decent given it will compete with the 3090 series and significantly beat it in raster. At the $1k price tag I would call that a decent GPU. I am waiting to see how 7800XT goes, but at least now I know that it will be a lot faster than my 3080 FE and be a lot less than $899. If I was wanting a decent Nvidia upgrade I was looking at the joke priced 4080 16GB. These AMD 7900 GPUs and their prices have just slapped the $1200 4080 16GB silly.

Yet still we see the AMD = "not good enough" nonsene.

 

[Black Noir]

Absolutely demolishes Nvidia in performance per dollar which is what matters to the vast majority of people. I'd say there is a cigar.

Do they? If you’re on a budget maybe, but the primary benchmark paraded around is raw speed.

Like I said.. if they beat the performance of the 4090 for less then they’d have stolen the show.

 

[TOW]

Except wages of course, they remain low.

Don't forget the UK economy becoming an utter failure over the last 10-15 years, especially more recently with the likes of Brexit etc...

14-15 years ago it was over $2 to £1

 

[Oyeee]

It’s called inflation. Things go up.

Yeah, inflation excuse and the numbers add up. A 1080ti price in today's number would be £825. You make sure to add a tip for AMD when you buy their card..

 

[gpuerrilla]

The RT performance is actually fairly decent given it will compete with the 3090 series and significantly beat it in raster. At the $1k price tag I would call that a decent GPU. I am waiting to see how 7800XT goes, but at least now I know that it will be a lot faster than my 3080 FE and be a lot less than $899. If I was wanting a decent Nvidia upgrade I was looking at the joke priced 4080 16GB. These AMD 7900 GPUs and their prices have just slapped the $1200 4080 16GB silly.

Yet still we see the AMD = "not good enough" nonsene.

Perfectly poised for that upgrade for nexus!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Can be priced the same as a 4070, if a 4060ti is ahead in RT (and cheaper), won't matter. Is the same situation with RDNA2 vs. 3xxx.

The problem is Nvidia has made it easier in some ways for AMD.

The AD103 is actually the true replacement for the GA104. So the AD104 is more like a GA106.

Except,Nvidia rebranded what should have been the RTX4070 16GB to a $1200 RTX4080 16GB.

Then they tried to rebrand the RTX4060 12GB(same sub 300mm2 dGPU as the RTX3060) to a RTX4080 12GB. Most likely it will be launched as an RTX4070 12GB at over £500.

So what will be the RTX4060TI will be the equivalent of the RTX3050,ie,a cut down Ampere 106 series equivalent.

The RTX4060 will most likely be very cut down this generation too.

So at each level of the RTX4000 stack,AMD is going to slot in a relatively higher SKU unlike the previous generation.

If the RTX4090 had been $1000,it would have probably meant this would have pushed the RX7900XTX down to $600 to $700.

 

[Chrisc]

It is early days and only based on one AMD slide, but a ~50% - 70% improvement in RT performance over the 6950, is right around the 3090 for RT. AMD were never epxected to match the 4090 for RT and now that it meets that expectation, it is suddenly "very bad"?

The RT performance is actually fairly decent given it will compete with the 3090 series and significantly beat it in raster. At the $1k price tag I would call that a decent GPU. I am waiting to see how 7800XT goes, but at least now I know that it will be a lot faster than my 3080 FE and be a lot less than $899. If I was wanting a decent Nvidia upgrade I was looking at the joke priced 4080 16GB. These AMD 7900 GPUs and their prices have just slapped the $1200 4080 16GB silly.

Yet still we see the AMD = "not good enough" nonsene.

That's because people want to justify their near on £2000 GPU purchase

 

[Purgatory]

Genuinely don't see whats to not like here, I know we didnt get any direct benchmark comparisons but the xtx at $999 seems like a steal compared to the 4xxx series so far. at those prices these cards are definitley compelling compared to the alternatives, those CP numbers its an extra $700 for an extra 10fps from nvidia .... no thanks.

Wondering if anyone noticed but AMD used titles that are very Nvidia friendly too... Cyberpunk nvidia game like control was, dying light 2 ... with all that RT in it.. of course nvidia ...

Wait for real reviews on more friendly games, I have a funny feeling they did that by purpose and when the reviews will be out it will cause another hype train.


So far from what I saw, it looks good and Lisa and the gang did everything so far right in the world climate we are in and they can't be asking $1.5k+ now for a gaming gpu it's madness in time we are in.. Nvidia lost the plot really $1.6k and uk £1700 and really selling for £2000+ for any decent AIB.

Coming from a guy that spends silly money on hardware... but this is not the time for silly priced hardware when people can't afford to keep warm and feed themselves. Anyone says anything back on that I will remind you not everyone is rolling in money and get a better job will not save you too. Times are tough now for hard working people. Yes this is a luxury item not a needed item but we all need to have some fun things in our lives to make it fun. AMD did well and gave more people a chance to grab a new tech card which looks like it has decent performance for the money .

Waiting for 3rd party reviews now .. and I bet you they will look better than the games they showed there.

 

[PaulC2K]

Thats left me a little unsure which way to go. I wanted AMD to smash Nvidia on pricing, and they've certainly done that. However it feels like AMD intentionally ignored the question of does it sit in terms of $/perf.
I dont mind half the price for half the performance, or whatever it may be, i'd just like to know how it performs as it seems we can expect it to land at around 2/3 the price.

I want to watercool whatever i get, and the ability to grab an FE and a reference block is something i appreciate. Anyone know if theres a good AIB path for W/C'ing in terms of companies releasing them shortly, rather than waiting 6-12 mo for an obscure AIB version.

I dont even think i have any RT enabled games, but i know it is coming to Star Citizen so that'd be nice, but ive typically played more Indie games the last decade or so. Back on Rimworld atm But it does seem like it should be something to consider for the future as this will be a long-term buy, not replaced in 18/24mo with the new shiny thing.

 

[Nexus18]

It is early days and only based on one AMD slide, but a ~50% - 70% improvement in RT performance over the 6950, is right around the 3090 for RT. AMD were never epxected to match the 4090 for RT and now that it meets that expectation, it is suddenly "very bad"?

The RT performance is actually fairly decent given it will compete with the 3090 series and significantly beat it in raster. At the $1k price tag I would call that a decent GPU. I am waiting to see how 7800XT goes, but at least now I know that it will be a lot faster than my 3080 FE and be a lot less than $899. If I was wanting a decent Nvidia upgrade I was looking at the joke priced 4080 16GB. These AMD 7900 GPUs and their prices have just slapped the $1200 4080 16GB silly.

Yet still we see the AMD = "not good enough" nonsene.

Given a 3090 is already struggling with current gen RT titles like CP and that's before the new overdrive mode even arrives... amd matching 2 year old card isn't exactly something to be proud of, again, it is another case of amd always playing catch up and lagging behind.

What I'll be curious to see is some frame latency charts and the 0.1 and 1% lows which is where rdna 2 really suffered with complex rt scenarios.

Ignoring RT though, it looks to be a fantastic gpu overall and if it weren't for RT, would be a very nice upgrade from 3080/3090.

 

[nomadd]

The fact that they are using unspecific upscaling tech and not native raster renders that slide utterly useless.

No way - that slide was rendered with FSR3!

 

[gpuerrilla]

What is the lowest cost they can drop to though @CAT-THE-FIFTH ? Samsung were a cheaper node yet I dont see them dropping below msrp after 2 years! I dont think they have the wiggle room or at least the AIB wont.