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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

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Oyeee said:
Yeah, inflation excuse and the numbers add up. A 1080ti price in today's number would be £825. You make sure to add a tip for AMD when you buy their card..
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More like £900...


EDIT: Actually, no, more! That's just the change in exchange rates and VAT... didn't include inflation.
 
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ICDP said:
It is early days and only based on one AMD slide, but a ~50% - 70% improvement in RT performance over the 6950, is right around the 3090 for RT. AMD were never epxected to match the 4090 for RT and now that it meets that expectation, it is suddenly "very bad"?

The RT performance is actually fairly decent given it will compete with the 3090 series and significantly beat it in raster. At the $1k price tag I would call that a decent GPU. I am waiting to see how 7800XT goes, but at least now I know that it will be a lot faster than my 3080 FE and be a lot less than $899. If I was wanting a decent Nvidia upgrade I was looking at the joke priced 4080 16GB. These AMD 7900 GPUs and their prices have just slapped the $1200 4080 16GB silly.

Yet still we see the AMD = "not good enough" nonsene.
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Yeah exactly my thoughts currently have 3080fe , looking at the 7900 pricing still will never pay that much for a gpu wondering what pricing 7800xt and performance considering Nvidia are wanting to scam £1269 for the 4080 16gb only other option which I will never pay for

Only option looks like could be 7800xt if performance is good enough from the 3080
 
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Black Noir said:
Do they? If you’re on a budget maybe, but the primary benchmark paraded around is raw speed.

Like I said.. if they beat the performance of the 4090 for less then they’d have stolen the show.
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Yes, the RTX 3080 was the best selling card on OCUK IIRC.

Didn't I see you in the F1 thread the other day saying you can't afford Sky F1 prices? Sounds like you do have a budget but are trying to justify your 4090 purchase to yourself.
 
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brostradamus said:
ok heres a datapoint : at -28 the baldy showed a benchmark of hitman 3 (non-RT) doing 275 fps at 4k with FSR??
i am assuming looking at the chart that 75% is pure raster which is 206 fps
what would be the number for 4090?
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According to this review https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/21.html

RTX4090 is 130fps

So AMD is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a 4090 in AMD Sponsored titles.

In comparison 6950xt is 105fps vs the 130fps of the 4090
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is because people like you keep defending Nvidia pricing and keep paying £1650 for RTX4090 and defending those who are.

So if AMD priced it at £1100,it's still a ripoff,but Nvidia charges you 50% more. The RTX4070 is literally now a RTX4080 16GB for £1300. Same with Turing.

But people like you will spin DLSS3,more RT,better drivers,etc and then its all OK.

Nvidia is the company that set's the price ceiling, not AMD. So even an RX6900XT was a ripoff but it was cheaper than what Nvidia had.

Then for mainstream buyers like me,we get even more screwed.
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Here’s a thought, maybe just maybe AMD could set their stall out before Nvidia for once.

The pricing is bananas I agree, but why do AMD always let Nvidia release to market first? If they’ve got a competitive product launch it first and force Nvidia to rethink their range/pricing.
 
Really excited to see the reviews for these.

Never expected them to beat the 4090 especially in RT. But if we can get 3090+ levels of RT performance, in this reference form factor especially, with 350w and two 8 pin cables. That’s perfect. My 6950xt is already seriously fast and they compete with the 3090/3090ti easily in plenty of titles (outside of RT).

These things will be fast if they have that much more performance over a 6950xt. And that form factor! I love it. Perfect for my current ITX machine.

Plus 24gb and DP 2.1, and not to mention that very competitive pricing.

Excited!
 
HRL said:
Here’s a thought, maybe just maybe AMD could set their stall out before Nvidia for once.

The pricing is bananas I agree, but why do AMD always let Nvidia release to market first? If they’ve got a competitive product launch it first and force Nvidia to rethink their range/pricing.
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I honestly think AMD, Intel and Nvidia price fix behind the scenes.
 
kieran_read said:
According to this review https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/21.html

RTX4090 is 130fps

So AMD is SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a 4090 in AMD Sponsored titles.

In comparison 6950xt is 105fps vs the 130fps of the 4090
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i was looking for this datapoint, this one paints a different story though native 4090 4k raster at 223 fps
www.pcworld.com

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 review: Fantastically, futuristically fast

Nvidia's monstrous GeForce RTX 4090 delivers luxuriously fast frame rates and futuristic features, but DLSS 3 may be the real star.
www.pcworld.com www.pcworld.com
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is Nvidia has made it easier in some ways for AMD.

The AD103 is actually the true replacement for the GA104. So the AD104 is more like a GA106.

Except,Nvidia rebranded what should have been the RTX4070 16GB to a $1200 RTX4080 16GB.

Then they tried to rebrand the RTX4060 12GB(same sub 300mm2 dGPU as the RTX3060) to a RTX4080 12GB. Most likely it will be launched as an RTX4070 12GB at over £500.

So what will be the RTX4060TI will be the equivalent of the RTX3050,ie,a cut down Ampere 106 series equivalent.

The RTX4060 will most likely be very cut down this generation too.

So at each level of the RTX4000 stack,AMD is going to slot in a relatively higher SKU unlike the previous generation.
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I agree, but my point still stands.
If, for (let's say) $500 you get an AMD card that is faster than $350-$400 nVIDIA card in Rasterization, but slower in RT, is not much different than what happen with previous gen.

One more thing that I'd mention is that these high end cards, although we talk a lot about them, not many are buying them. 3-$400 (maybe $500) is where the large volumes and interest is. RT won't be good there for AMD (these RT performance numbers have to be on the lower/mid range cards, not high end!). Can turn ugly down the road for the red team (and its buyers) if games will utilize more and more RT effects. Strangely enough, this time around I feel that nvidia has the "fine wine" card.
 
HRL said:
Here’s a thought, maybe just maybe AMD could set their stall out before Nvidia for once.

The pricing is bananas I agree, but why do AMD always let Nvidia release to market first? If they’ve got a competitive product launch it first and force Nvidia to rethink their range/pricing.
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Nvidia I suspect is paying TSMC more for the privilege - for example Turing used a specialised 16NM variant made for Nvidia,and Ada is using a customised TSMC 5NM called TSMC 4NM. Technically Nvidia is using a better version of TSMC 5NM than AMD is. ATI used to release before Nvidia on new nodes and so did AMD.Since Pascal that has changed.
 
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