RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[ICDP]

Yep AMD needs to be aggressive. I think that if AMD is aggressive enough and forces Nvidia to drop the price of the fake 4080s before launch by a substantial amount, it will damage Nvidia's premium brand image.

Also Nvidia has left a massive performance gap between the 4090 and fake 4080s that AMD could comfortably squeeze a 7800XT, 7800 and maybe the 7700xt into and just sweep sales. It is literally AMD's game to lose.

I'm sorry but AMD need to be no such thing. People said the same last year and it never happened. AMD do not owe you or I anything in relation to some magical price/perf just to give Nvidia a kick up the hole.

I am not happy about pricing either. But expecting AMD to deliver a price/perf that more than double what Nvidia offer is not just unrealistic, but completely laughable.

Think about it, significantly less than half the price of the 4080 16GB for the same perfomance?

 

[Joxeon]

What a load of nonsense. So AMD need to be far cheaper than a 4080 16GB and 20% faster before you consider them worth buying.

L O the **** L. Nvdia price their 4080 12GB at £900 and it is no faster than a 3090 (at best), yet AMD must price their 4080 12GB competitor at half that price and also be 20% faster than the 4080 16GB.

Did I get your oh so reasonable demands correct?

As I said both the 80 cards are not really 80 cards, they are 60/70'cards which generally cost in the range of £400-500 so that's what I'd expect to pay for them whether it's from nvidia or AMD.

The 4080 12gb is barely faster than AMDs previous gen 6800XT which had an msrp of £600 so not sure why you'd want to pay the same price or more for a card that will have similar performance to a 6800XT. £450 is what I think 6800XT + 10% performance should cost 2 years later.

 

[uscool]

AMD will price their GPUS in line with Nvidia with a small price/perf improvement. We have reached the new norm a few years back when people were happy to pay scalped 3x00 and 6x00 prices. Both AMD and Nvidia will happily fleece us.

If AMD release a 7800XT that matches the 4080 16GB is it will be only marginally cheaper.

I know probably £100 difference but if they really wanna make some noise need to be lower

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I'm sorry but AMD need to be no such thing. People said the same last year and it never happened. AMD do not owe you or I anything in relation to some magical price/perf just to give Nvidia a kick up the hole.

I am not happy about pricing either. But expecting AMD to deliver a price/perf that more than double what Nvidia offer is not just unrealistic, but completely laughable.

Think about it, significantly less than half the price of the 4080 16GB for the same perfomance?

Nvidia's 4000 series pricing is to sell off excess 3000 series stock. In a normal market that 4080 16GB would probably sell for around £500, with standard margins. With a cut down 4090 taking the £700 spot. Expecting normal prices isn't unrealsitic I would say.

 

[uscool]

As I said both the 80 cards are not really 80 cards, they are 60/70'cards which generally cost in the range of £400-500 so that's what I'd expect to pay for them whether it's from nvidia or AMD.

The 4080 12gb is barely faster than AMDs previous gen 6800XT which had an msrp of £600 so not sure why you'd want to pay the same price or more for a card that will have similar performance to a 6800XT. £450 is what I think 6800XT + 10% performance should cost 2 years later.

so AMD need to price them like 60/70 nvidia cards ? when they could be matching the performance of 4080 12 and 16gb cards not happening

 

[humbug]

What a load of nonsense. So AMD need to be far cheaper than a 4080 16GB and 20% faster before you consider them worth buying.

L O the **** L. Nvdia price their 4080 12GB at £900 and it is no faster than a 3090 (at best), yet AMD must price their 4080 12GB competitor at half that price and also be 20% faster than the 4080 16GB.

Did I get your oh so reasonable demands correct? And if they don't deliver this magical price/perf will you declare AMD 7x00 worthless?

The leaked slide has the 7700XT ~3080 for $529.

That is a lot of money for a mid range card but its nothing like as much as $900, if it turns out true i think its a good price and i would really like this community to send the message to AMD that this is appreciated, given that Intel have dropped the ball and come over all Intel.... AMD is all we have.

 

[uscool]

they dont need to beat 4090, its what below and pricing

 

[ICDP]

Problem is AMD are a lot weaker on features, they can't just knock $50 off the price and say it's just as fast in all these games. I'd rather just spend the extra $50 and get NVIDIA. If they do a substantial price reduction then the perceived value is much lower and no mindshare is made

As I said both the 80 cards are not really 80 cards, they are 60/70'cards which generally cost in the range of £400-500 so that's what I'd expect to pay for them whether it's from nvidia or AMD.

The 4080 12gb is barely faster than AMDs previous gen 6800XT which had an msrp of £600 so not sure why you'd want to pay the same price or more for a card that will have similar performance to a 6800XT. £450 is what I think 6800XT + 10% performance should cost 2 years later.

It doesn't matter if you claim RT is better, or "but DLSS", AMD will not give you a ******* 4080 16GB competitor for less than half the price. Nor should they reasonably be expected to.

NOTE: I am not saying they don't have more features, just that the more does simply = AMD must be half the price. RT and DLSS do not double the value of an Nvidia card compared to their immediate AMD competitor. No matter how much you are anyone else think it does.

Why is it always the same usual suspects who expect AMD to be some sort of charity/saviour/value brand beacuse Nvidia shafted everoyne with selling their mid tier as top tier. Yet when you analyse closer it's actually more that they want AMD to force Nvidia to lower prices so they can go on ignoring AMD.

 

[ICDP]

Folks, just for clarity. I am not defending AMD. I am trying to manage expectations that if AMD have a GPU that matches 4080 performance, they will not sell it for half the price.

AMD are not our saviour.

 

[Joxeon]

The leaked slide has the 7700XT ~3080 for $529.

That is a lot of money for a mid range card but its nothing like as much as $900, if it turns out true i think its a good price and i would really like this community to send the message to AMD that this is appreciated, given that Intel have dropped the ball and come over all Intel.... AMD is all we have.

It's not really a good price though when it'll end up at around £600 uk price and you can buy a new 3080 for less than £650 or a used one for £500.

 

[Joxeon]

It doesn't matter if you claim RT is better, or "but DLSS", AMD will not give you a ******* 4080 16GB competitor for less than half the price. Nor should they reasonably be expected to.

NOTE: I am not saying they don't have more features, just that the more does simply = AMD must be half the price. RT and DLSS do not double the value of an Nvidia card compared to their immediate AMD competitor. No matter how much you are anyone else think it does.

Why is it always the same usual suspects who expect AMD to be some sort of charity/saviour/value brand beacuse Nvidia shafted everoyne with selling their mid tier as top tier. Yet when you analyse closer it's actually more that they want AMD to force Nvidia to lower prices so they can go on ignoring AMD.

Then I won't buy one it's as simple as that, nor will I buy an RTX4080 16gb for anymore than £650.

 

[humbug]

It's not really a good price though when it'll end up at around £600 uk price and you can buy a new 3080 for less than £650 or a used one for £500.

I know, i said its a lot of money for a mid range card, i don't disagree with you, but it also isn't £700, or £800, let alone £950.

 

[uscool]

another thing AMD probably wont sell to UK from its store again

 

[uscool]

Then I won't buy one it's as simple as that, nor will I buy an RTX4080 16gb for anymore than £650.

I wouldnt mind paying £750 for 4080 16gb coming from 3080 £650 that would have been fine with me , its sad what they have done

 

[NZXT30]

Folks, just for clarity. I am not defending AMD. I am trying to manage expectations that if AMD have a GPU that matches 4080 performance, they will not sell it for half the price.

AMD are not our saviour.

They're marching towards single digit marketshare so at their current trajectory they will be eradicated from the PC market soon enough.

 

[Joxeon]

I wouldnt mind paying £750 for 4080 16gb coming from 3080 £650 that would have been fine with me , its sad what they have done

You have to remember though the 4080 16gb is really a 4070/ti so I think anymore than £650 is a too much of a price hike over the £469-529 it cost last gen.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I know, i said it a lot of money for a mid range card, i don't disagree with you, but it also isn't £700, or £800, let alone £950.

It also means the 700 series is going up by $100,and it might also be another small generation on generation increase because it is being pushed into a higher pricing tier. Then you have Nvidia in fantasy land charging $900.

Both these companies have lost the plot(as has Intel) - can't they look outside and realise what is happening with the global economy?

 

[HACO]

You have to remember though the 4080 16gb is really a 4070/ti so I think anymore than £650 is a too much of a price hike over the £469-529 it cost last gen.

4080 16GB is like a 4060 Ti.

 

[Joxeon]

4080 16GB is like a 4060 Ti.

The 12gb is the one that's between a 4060 and 4060ti so I wouldn't pay more than £450 for that as that's still a 30% cost increase gen on gen.

 

[timorous]

Folks, just for clarity. I am not defending AMD. I am trying to manage expectations that if AMD have a GPU that matches 4080 performance, they will not sell it for half the price.

AMD are not our saviour.

Half is just daft.

There is room though for AMD to increase their GPU margins and undercut NV and I think that is the way AMD will go if they have the supply.