RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

humbug · 12 Oct 2022 at 17:34

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is that they also risk PC gamers moving to consoles increasingly too. Now,it wouldn't affect AMD as much because they make the SOCs for the consoles,but still I would suspect they make more margins on dGPUs. However,for Nvidia it would be much worse for them. But either way I blame Nvidia,because they are pricing their dGPUs poorly this generation.AMD can still charge a decent amount and still be much better value.

If this is true, and its big if, then that is exactly what AMD doing, these GPU's are priced where AMD are making good margins, i assume, while not being stupidly over priced, its not ideal, for us, its a compromise, an acceptable one.

I'm not saying for a second all this is accurate, but if it is i'm ok with it, Nvidia have gone so far off the rails AMD could easily do worse by us and still look reasonable.

gpuerrilla · 12 Oct 2022 at 17:46

Can't see you upping to a 7850XT though bug..

Xelene · 12 Oct 2022 at 17:48

humbug said:
If this is true, and its big if, then that is exactly what AMD doing, these GPU's are priced where AMD are making good margins, i assume, while not being stupidly over priced, its not ideal, for us, its a compromise, an acceptable one.

I'm not saying for a second all this is accurate, but if it is i'm ok with it, Nvidia have gone so far off the rails AMD could easily do worse by us and still look reasonable.

Its not like anyone is targetting PC games only anymore. All we get is a bit of Spiderman with a light dusting of additional raytracing and that 7800XT seems firmly in place to do it.

humbug · 12 Oct 2022 at 17:54

gpuerrilla said:
Can't see you upping to a 7850XT though bug..

No, £1000 is above my paygrade.

I have an RTX 2070 Super, i don't care about the naming scheme, the only thing i care about is how much performance i can get for my £, right now the cheapest RTX 3080 i can see is £729, its one of those with just a 2 year warranty.

If AMD can offer me the same sort of thing with a 3 year warranty for £600, i'll wait, if it happens i will say "Sold" and thank you AMD, you guys are pretty cool.

Xelene said:
Its not like anyone is targetting PC games only anymore. All we get is a bit of Spiderman with a light dusting of additional raytracing and that 7800XT seems firmly in place to do it.

I don't care enough about RT to buy something i can't really afford.

gpuerrilla · 12 Oct 2022 at 17:56

humbug said:
right now the cheapest RTX 3080 i can see is £729...If AMD can offer me the same sort of thing with a 3 year warranty for £600, i'll wait, if it happens i will say "Sold" and thank you AMD, you guys are pretty cool.

The 7700XT should do that.

Xelene · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:04

humbug said:
I don't care enough about RT to buy something i can't really afford.

I've got a 5700XT dude and it's FINE at 1440p, RDNA3 will be interesting; I bet they will be an absolute bangers at more reasonable prices. Very keen to see what AMD have done with the architecture and how they price it, it's obviously cheaper to make and that architecture has really progressed quite well. My expectation is it will be very very good given how hard NVIDIA pushed the 4090 this time round

RavenXXX2 · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:12

3080 performance for £600, you already have that in the 6800xt. That's garbage for rdna3. And if AMD try it on with them prices you posted, then big lol.

humbug said:
No, £1000 is above my paygrade.

I have an RTX 2070 Super, i don't care about the naming scheme, the only thing i care about is how much performance i can get for my £, right now the cheapest RTX 3080 i can see is £729, its one of those with just a 2 year warranty.

If AMD can offer me the same sort of thing with a 3 year warranty for £600, i'll wait, if it happens i will say "Sold" and thank you AMD, you guys are pretty cool.

I don't care enough about RT to buy something i can't really afford.

gpuerrilla · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:16

£600 for the 4080 gimped ed killer isnt bad especially with DP2.0 and 200w

humbug · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:22

Xelene said:
I've got a 5700XT dude and it's FINE at 1440p, RDNA3 will be interesting; I bet they will be an absolute bangers at more reasonable prices. Very keen to see what AMD have done with the architecture and how they price it, it's obviously cheaper to make and that architecture has really progressed quite well. My expectation is it will be very very good given how hard NVIDIA pushed the 4090 this time round

If you want to know the real issue skip to 15:25, they have done a complete rework of the clouds for the coming patch, they tech has been reworked, to make them look much better, my hope is the performance will also be greatly improved, failing that Vulkan is coming in the next patch too which should make a difference, hopefully...

While the rest of the game runs fine on my GPU, i do run it with the clouds off, its unplayable with them on and it is a GPU performance issue.

Xelene · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:24

Nobody is forcing you to spend 2 grand on a graphics card, i'd buy one if I had a use case for it but I dont. When the 300-400 cards land that are 70% quicker than my 300-400 card I'll buy one, and just to note a 300-400 card is plenty quick enough; with a bit of FSR2 at 1440p can do 70-80FPS on High/Ultra on Cyberpunk and 120+ FPS on Forza Horizon so you aren't having a bad gameplay experience. They are exceptional in Blender or such, but as a gamer you aren't even touching the walls

Xelene · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:25

humbug said:
If you want to know the real issue skip to 15:25, they have done a complete rework of the clouds for the coming patch, they tech has been reworked, to make them look much better, my hope is the performance will also be greatly improved, failing that Vulkan is coming in the next patch too which should make a difference, hopefully...

While the rest of the game runs fine on my GPU, i do run it with the clouds off, its unplayable with them on and it is a GPU performance issue.

Has that game been released yet?

Xelene · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:28

Star Citizen, honestly?

Xelene · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:30

NVIDA performs really well in Bayonetta 17, jesus chuffing christ. Excuse my blasphemy

humbug · 12 Oct 2022 at 18:56

Xelene said:
Has that game been released yet?

Technically yes, but also no, its playable while under development.... i don't really know what to call it, released yes, finished? lol no.

Autode1ta · 12 Oct 2022 at 19:18

brostradamus said:
They probably won't be producing much to make a dent in market share, it's a vicious cycle

Don’t know, with the sales of ryzen 7000 they could probably shift some production capacity around.

kalniel · 12 Oct 2022 at 19:26

humbug said:
If this is true, and its big if, then that is exactly what AMD doing, these GPU's are priced where AMD are making good margins, i assume, while not being stupidly over priced, its not ideal, for us, its a compromise, an acceptable one.

I'm not saying for a second all this is accurate, but if it is i'm ok with it, Nvidia have gone so far off the rails AMD could easily do worse by us and still look reasonable.

I didn't follow the 6000 series, but wouldn't they release the 00 cards first, then refresh with the 50 variant in one or two years? IE, treat that table with the due respect it's been given

Chuk_Chuk · 12 Oct 2022 at 19:31

humbug said:
If this is true, and its big if, then that is exactly what AMD doing, these GPU's are priced where AMD are making good margins, i assume, while not being stupidly over priced, its not ideal, for us, its a compromise, an acceptable one.

I'm not saying for a second all this is accurate, but if it is i'm ok with it, Nvidia have gone so far off the rails AMD could easily do worse by us and still look reasonable.

Hold up. According to this rumour AMD is going to announce a card and then potentially release it 3-6 months after announcing it, missing black friday, cyber monday and christmas. It would be a stupid move to do that.

Also that price to performance is horrendous. 3080 performance for £529.

humbug · 12 Oct 2022 at 21:06

Chuk_Chuk said:
Hold up. According to this rumour AMD is going to announce a card and then potentially release it 3-6 months after announcing it, missing black friday, cyber monday and christmas. It would be a stupid move to do that.

Also that price to performance is horrendous. 3080 performance for £529.

So buy a 4080 12GB for £950.

TNA · 12 Oct 2022 at 21:07

humbug said:
The leaked slide has the 7700XT ~3080 for $529.

That is a lot of money for a mid range card but its nothing like as much as $900, if it turns out true i think its a good price and i would really like this community to send the message to AMD that this is appreciated, given that Intel have dropped the ball and come over all Intel.... AMD is all we have.

Appreciated for giving us 3080 performance for around the same price 2+ years on?

What the…

Joxeon · 12 Oct 2022 at 22:19

timorous said:
Half is just daft.

There is room though for AMD to increase their GPU margins and undercut NV and I think that is the way AMD will go if they have the supply.

I don't think half is daft when both 4080 models are around double the price they should be.