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RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

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If a 7800XT is around 20% faster than a 3090 then that would mean it's around 35-40% faster than a 6800XT which is fine if the price stays the same (bear in mind the 3080 delivered 65% increase over the 2080 for the same money) if it increases to $800 then it's around a 25% price hike for 35-40% performance which doesn't look so great especially if you can get a 3090/3080ti for around $700 or less.

Zen 4 just released on the 5nm process and delivered around a 35-40% performance uplift yet the prices stayed the same and even decreased on 2 of the 4 SKUs so clearly the 5nm isn't a huge jump in costs over 7nm while the 7800XT / 7850XT memory configs and board power look similar to last gen so how it costs have risen for a 7800XT by 25% and 54% for the 7850XT.

Don’t worry about that. Apparently AMD owe you nothing :p

You know what AMD owe themselves? Some market and mind share! They won’t get that with their we are a premium brand pricing strategy. They need a 3080 type card in their line up. They can still price their 7950XT and 7900XT silly.
 
Amd can name any price but if they can't supply enough inventory to support the price, how is that going to practically work?

Lets say amd currently has 15% market share and they want to make that 30%.. that's going to need a lot of investment and speculative risk taking.. it's the kind of stuff that can end careers
 
Amd can name any price but if they can't supply enough inventory to support the price, how is that going to practically work?

Lets say amd currently has 15% market share and they want to make that 30%.. that's going to need a lot of investment and speculative risk taking.. it's the kind of stuff that can end careers
It's also the kind of stuff that makes careers. You know like when your competitor, blows up all the good will they have and leaves themselves exposed on the pricing front.
 
Yeah but they would have to plan (and invest) for this scenario 18 months in advance.. that's too much risk, some would call that unprofessional

Things would have been a lot different if the marketshare was 55:45 in favour of Nvidia. The risk for amd reduces significantly and they would have more flexibility in execution.

What amd needs to do now is leapfrog on tech, scrap rdna4 and start working on rdna5.. for them to take such risks will require a strong conviction on product superiority..so that they can cushion downsides to their investments
 
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Amd can name any price but if they can't supply enough inventory to support the price, how is that going to practically work?

Lets say amd currently has 15% market share and they want to make that 30%.. that's going to need a lot of investment and speculative risk taking.. it's the kind of stuff that can end careers
Can't see how they can blame wafer constraints this time when they wouldn't have certainly ordered a huge supply of 5nm from TSMC in advance anticipating massive sales and now consoles are being produced on a different node and Zen 4 is selling like ice cream in the Arctic.
 
Hardware unboxed commented on that thread it is possible 4K 240hz on DP 1.4a

Yes Samsung already has a 4k 240hz monitor, doesn't need DP 2.0

DP2.0 is only needed for 8k 120hz and 4k 360hz/480hz and last time I checked there are no 4k 480hz or 8k 120hz monitors
 
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Hardware unboxed commented on that thread it is possible 4K 240hz on DP 1.4a
Presumably with DSC and that compressed the chroma as the tweet already said. Unsure whether DSC is lossless or a lossy thing though, think VESA call it "visually loseless" whatever that means.
Wiki says that 1.4a (25.92 Gbit/s) can only do 4k @240Hz with DSC
 
HDMI 2.1 is an option these days though, and that has 48Gbps so it isn't all doom and gloom.
Every VR headset I have been interested in used Display Port. I expect newer headsets that will need maximum GPU horsepower to use DIsplay Port. (And probably DP 2.0+)

VR is the only reason I am even looking at a GPU upgrade. My current hardware will be more than enough for my monitor gaming for a long time.
 
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Every VR headset I have been interested in used Display Port. I expect newer headsets that will need maximum GPU horsepower to use DIsplay Port. (And probably DP 2.0+)

VR is the only reason I am even looking at a GPU upgrade. My current hardware will be more than enough for my monitor gaming for a long time.

I am in the same boat. I can turn settings down and as long as I maintain ~40 FPS my Freesync monitor keeps things feeling smooth. The best thing I ever did was move to Freesync because it has saved me a fortune having to keep buying the top end to avoid stutter and tearting.
 
If this is true, and its big if, then that is exactly what AMD doing, these GPU's are priced where AMD are making good margins, i assume, while not being stupidly over priced, its not ideal, for us, its a compromise, an acceptable one.

I'm not saying for a second all this is accurate, but if it is i'm ok with it, Nvidia have gone so far off the rails AMD could easily do worse by us and still look reasonable.

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At this point it will make increasing sense to buy a console.
 
At this point it will make increasing sense to buy a console.
For people who want to play the latest "big" games, perhaps. Most of what I play on PC simply isn't available on console, i.e. modded games, older games, emulators and WoW. But then none of that stuff requires the latest and greatest GPU, or anything close to it in most cases. There's plenty more to do than play the latest AAA slop. Persona 5 Royal will be my next obsession in a week's time and the recommended specs for that are a GTX 760 or HD 7870. Seems once again PC gaming's death has been greatly exaggerated.
 
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No chance of me buying a console. Love having all my games on steam. Can play whatever I want when I want. Plus by the time you buy a console you might as well add another hundred or so quid on top and buy a 3080 Ti. That what I did. 3090 performance for £575 :D

Not to mention almost all console exclusives are only timed exclusives these days and eventually hit the PC.
 
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