RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

gpuerrilla · 12 Oct 2022 at 23:45

There is also a small chance the 4090 is clocked so high with overkill coolers because in haste of keeping top dog performance spot, they know AMD have a strong alternative possibly better at raster. We know nvidia always have the counter poised which is the Ti/Supers so no matter how AMD play the game, nvidia will not only have extra flavours to throw they also can slash prices.

Drayvn · 12 Oct 2022 at 23:53

Poneros said:
AMD Radeon RX 7000 "RDNA 3" Graphics Cards Allegedly Launching In December, Difficult To Compete With NVIDIA's RTX 40 GPUs

A new rumor of AMD's next-gen Radeon RX 7000 graphics cards based on the RDNA 3 GPU architecture has been posted by Enthusiast Citizen.

wccftech.com

The guy leaking this was also the dude that posted the early 13900K review (legit) a few weeks ago. Hmmm.

From what debauer was testing with the power curve on the 4090, the last 5 to 10 percent of performance came at a cost of 100 watts or so, the most efficient power levels were around 350 to 375 watts.

From all the rumours AMD scrapped the idea of pushing to get top spot at the expense of power as the extra BOM costs to build a card to support that would cut into their margins, so as rumours have suggested they are going to keep power at more reasonable levels and keep costs as low as possible instead.

Though, i would assume they would leave room for something like a 7950XT for a refresh middle to end of next year, or when nVidia bring out a 4090ti or so to jump into that part of the market

ICDP · 12 Oct 2022 at 23:57

If they meet their 50% higher perf/watt target, then their 7950 should in theory be within 10% of the 4090 at 4K. That is assuming no increase in power use.

So even worst case scenario I would expect a ~40% improvement over the equivalent 6x00 range. If they deliver that and do it at the same price brackets, that would be a win. I just think they will bump the prices.

humbug · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:12

Joxeon said:
Here's what I think the prices should be if the performance gains are accurate.

7700XT $450
7800XT $650
7850XT $750
7900XT $999
7950XT $1199

The 6700XT was $479 MSRP

Joxeon · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:13

sparkymark75 said:
There are plenty of idiots being relieved of their money for the 4090 so despite the outcries about the 4080. They’ll still lap it up.

The 4090 is a good card though even though it's priced high it looks very attractive to 3090 buyers or those with unlimited budgets, the 4080s on the other hand look terrible at their price points to 3080 buyers or those who usually spend around £650.

Joxeon · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:20

humbug said:
The 6700XT was $479 MSRP

I'm just pricing what I feel it should cost for the performance levels. A 3080 cost $700 2 years ago so I think $450 for that level of performance today is entirely reasonable. Bear in mind a 3060ti cost $400 and out performed a then 2 year old 2080 by 10-15%

humbug · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:26

Joxeon said:
I'm just pricing what I feel it should cost for the performance levels. A 3080 cost $700 2 years ago so I think $450 for that level of performance today is entirely reasonable. Bear in mind a 3060ti cost $400 and out performed a then 2 year old 2080 by 10-15%

8%, the 3060Ti is 8% faster than the 2080, its barely 15% faster than my 2070S.

You think a reduction in price by $30 against a GPU conceived before the inflation cost of components is fair?

humbug · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:37

This is the highest scoring 3060Ti: 7644 https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...tion-benchmark.18775328/page-50#post-34380017
This is my score: 6799 https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...tion-benchmark.18775328/page-45#post-34044621

It is not the highest scoring 2070S.

That makes the fastest 3060Ti in that benchmark thread 12% faster, they are not that good, its why i can't bothered with the 3070, its only about 15% faster again, waste of time and money.

Joxeon · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:54

humbug said:
8%, the 3060Ti is 8% faster than the 2080, its barely 15% faster than my 2070S.

You think a reduction in price by $30 against a GPU conceived before the inflation cost of components is fair?

The HW unboxed review over an 18 game benchmark shows a 12% lead at 1440p and 4K and a 10% lead a 1080p.

With lower component demand than expected coupled with oversupply I'd argue the PC space is in a state of deflation.

Grim5 · 13 Oct 2022 at 00:58

RDNA3 rumour on billibilli https://m.bilibili.com/space/4139209?spm_id_from=444.42.0.0

They're saying AMD's full unveiling of RDNA3 will take place on 3 November, two models will be announced and stock arrives in early December. For performance, they say neither card compete with the 4090 in raster or RT

Take with salt especially as these are generalised statements that don't reflect what we know of the 4090, that it's stupidly slow at 1080p so there is almost no chance rdna3 is slower than a 4090 at 1080p

Joxeon · 13 Oct 2022 at 01:03

Seems odd to have a whole month + between reveal and launch.

humbug · 13 Oct 2022 at 01:20

Joxeon said:
Seems odd to have a whole month + between reveal and launch.

AMD like to take their time first pretending they don't exists while their competitor launch their products, then burp to say "I'm still here" and then wait a bit longer to make sure everyone who wants a new GPU has bought their competitors.

Grim5 · 13 Oct 2022 at 02:02

AMD did that with Zen4, announced a month before launch (Zen4 announced 29 August, launched 27 September)

JediFragger · 13 Oct 2022 at 03:57

humbug said:
AMD like to take their time first pretending they don't exists while their competitor launch their products, then burp to say "I'm still here" and then wait a bit longer to make sure everyone who wants a new GPU has bought their competitors.

Does make you wonder how far AMD could go with a decent marketing department!!!

random_matt · 13 Oct 2022 at 06:25

JediFragger said:
Does make you wonder how far AMD could go with a decent marketing department!!!

They can hire the intel layoffs.

Angilion · 13 Oct 2022 at 07:45

JediFragger said:
Does make you wonder how far AMD could go with a decent marketing department!!!

AMD has a very good marketing department...if AMD's marketing department is working for nvidia

EDIT: Being serious for a moment, I'm going to assume that rdna3 is going to be nothing of any interest and will be hugely overpriced or it doesn't work or AMD can't supply more than a handful of product. If that wasn't the case, AMD wouldn't be deliberately hiding it and actively helping nvidia to sell stuff at inflated prices in order to ride the PC gaming market into the ground. So if I see any card that takes my fancy at a price that isn't too high, I'll buy it. Which will probably be a 3060 Ti FE if I can get one. I would have bought one already but my bank has beefed up security and assumed that all of their customers have a "smartphone" and their app. Which I don't have. The workaround will take a week to set up and who knows if 3060 Ti FE will be in stock then.

chris85oc · 13 Oct 2022 at 07:58

ICDP said:
Yeah, that was the tune we heard for the last AMD GPU releases all the way back to their HD 6000 series GPU. In fact if I recall the HD 6000 series did massively undercut the GTX 580 for price and performance was about 10% slower. Yet AMD still bled marketshare.

History has proved that even if AMD do undercut Nvidia significantly for similar or only marginally less performance, they just don't sell as well as Nvidia. So AMD just seem to have accepted that seem to price with marginally better price/perf. If marketshare was their aim they would have massively undercut Nvidia a long time ago. ATI tried that with 4870 and 5870 and it didn't work long term at all.

Idk, funny enough 4870 was my last AMD gpu. Was great, loved it but ever since been buying NV since they started ******** the bed. Would love another 48xx moment from AMD. Prolly buy in a heartbeat…

780 after that, 970 ( great card even with the 3.5gb faster vram debacle ), 1070, 2080 and now 3080.

Gonna skip 4xxx since id need to spend too much money on the 4090 plus new psu and got other things to do atm so will see when the next line launches.

4080s are too bad to even consider. Both the 12 and the 16gb.

Nexus18 · 13 Oct 2022 at 08:43

One thing I'm pretty certain of is that rdna 3 will win easily at 1080 and 1440 given the cpu bottleneck of the 4090. Seems like ada will be king for 4k just like ampere was over rdna 2 for 4k

Troezar · 13 Oct 2022 at 08:48

Angilion said:
AMD has a very good marketing department...if AMD's marketing department is working for nvidia

EDIT: Being serious for a moment, I'm going to assume that rdna3 is going to be nothing of any interest and will be hugely overpriced or it doesn't work or AMD can't supply more than a handful of product. If that wasn't the case, AMD wouldn't be deliberately hiding it and actively helping nvidia to sell stuff at inflated prices in order to ride the PC gaming market into the ground. So if I see any card that takes my fancy at a price that isn't too high, I'll buy it. Which will probably be a 3060 Ti FE if I can get one. I would have bought one already but my bank has beefed up security and assumed that all of their customers have a "smartphone" and their app. Which I don't have. The workaround will take a week to set up and who knows if 3060 Ti FE will be in stock then.

The 3060Ti is a decent card, I have an FE and I would rather buy AMD but there was nothing at a reasonable price when I bought it. I will say the FE cards are lovely, very well made, great finish. It should tide me over until I can hopefully pick up a midrange 7XXX series card for a sensible sum. Until then the 3060Ti FE will be plenty for me at 1440p.

Troezar · 13 Oct 2022 at 08:51

Nexus18 said:
One thing I'm pretty certain of is that rdna 3 will win easily at 1080 and 1440 given the cpu bottleneck of the 4090. Seems like ada will be king for 4k just like ampere was over rdna 2 for 4k

I'm sure you're right especially on an all AMD system. If AMD have any sense they will sell a half decent 1080p/1440p GPU for $500-700. They'd struggle to keep them in stock.