RDNA 3 rumours Q3/4 2022

[StriderX]

Without reading all the technicals/rumours... does AMD have a solution to their poor RT performance with RDNA3?

E: I mean... versus previous gens.

 

[Joxeon]

If this is true, and its big if, then that is exactly what AMD doing, these GPU's are priced where AMD are making good margins, i assume, while not being stupidly over priced, its not ideal, for us, its a compromise, an acceptable one.

I'm not saying for a second all this is accurate, but if it is i'm ok with it, Nvidia have gone so far off the rails AMD could easily do worse by us and still look reasonable.

Here's what I think the prices should be if the performance gains are accurate.

7700XT $450
7800XT $650
7850XT $750
7900XT $999
7950XT $1199

 

[ICDP]

I don't think half is daft when both 4080 models are around double the price they should be.

The problem is if people buy those 4080s at that price then AMD have zero incentive to price massively below that. Selling one GPU at 50% profit is better than selling 4 at 10% profit. AMD have already said they are not the value proposition people think they should be.

 

[TNA]

Here's what I think the prices should be if the performance gains are accurate.

7700XT $450
7800XT $650
7850XT $750
7900XT $999
7950XT $1199

AMD are a premium brand now though…

 

[gpuerrilla]

Here's what I think the prices should be if the performance gains are accurate.

7700XT $450
7800XT $650
7850XT $750
7900XT $999
7950XT $1199

This would map exactly to the rrp of RDNA2. Only thing is since then we have recession (£ has tanked) and the 'manufacturing costs' from both vendors seem to think the cards are more to produce than previous gen. So at best I think you add another $50 to these and maybe $100 for the 7900 unfortunately.

 

[Aretak]

Without reading all the technicals/rumours... does AMD have a solution to their poor RT performance with RDNA3?

It's not really something that needs "solving" as such. RDNA 2's poor ray tracing performance was a choice on AMD's part. They went as hard as they could on rasterization and elected not to include as much dedicated RT hardware acceleration as Nvidia (which has expanded even further on that front with Lovelace). Intel have already shown that getting RT right isn't some impossible task that only Nvidia can accomplish. RDNA 3's RT performance will depend on just how much hardware AMD are willing to throw at it. Nobody knows that as of yet, as they've pretty effectively kept a lid on any sort of leaks surrounding RDNA 3. A few of the usual grifters like MLID have hinted at things, but we know how that turns out much of the time.

 

[Joxeon]

The problem is if people buy those 4080s at that price then AMD have zero incentive to price massively below that. Selling one GPU at 50% profit is better than selling 4 at 10% profit. AMD have already said they are not the value proposition people think they should be.

Looking at the poll in the rtx 4000 only 3.5% of the vote is interested in the 4080s although this has jumped slightly in the last day or so probably because people have watched the 4090 reviews and think the 4080s will be really good but I think they are in for a shock.

Nvidia has only come up with this silly pricing to sell off their old ampere cards, if AMD follow suit all they are doing is helping a competitor offload old stock then once it's all gone nvidia will just drop their prices and leave AMD looking stupid.

 

[ICDP]

Here's what I think the prices should be if the performance gains are accurate.

7700XT $450
7800XT $650
7850XT $750
7900XT $999
7950XT $1199

That would be great but if we assume that chart is correct for 7xx0 performance and compare the $900 4080 12GB GPU and the 7800XT at your proposed $650.

You want AMD to sell a GPU that is around 20% faster, with 33% more VRAM for $250 less? Please tell us what part of that expectation is reasonable?

I'm not defending those prices but if they sell at those prices for Nvidia, then AMD owe us absolutely nothing.

 

[Poneros]

The leaker explains that we will be getting two Radeon RX 7000 flagship graphics cards termed as the "first flagship" and "second flagship". It is not known whether this is referring to the Navi 31 and Navi 32 dies or two variants of the Navi 31 GPU. Rest assured, both of these GPUs will come with an MCM design and feature TSMC's 5nm process node.

Enthusiast Citizen further goes on to state the performance of the AMD Radeon RX 70000 with the RDNA 3 graphics architecture. In terms of ray tracing and rasterization performance, the AMD line may have a hard time competing against NVIDIA's recently introduced GeForce RTX 40 series cards and especially the top RTX 4090 which offers anywhere from 50 to 100% improvement in standard rasterized workloads and further pushes the performance envelope in ray tracing and DLSS titles. As such, AMD may not be as confident in terms of pricing with their Radeon lineup as they are with the Ryzen lineup.

AMD Radeon RX 7000 "RDNA 3" Graphics Cards Allegedly Launching In December, Difficult To Compete With NVIDIA's RTX 40 GPUs

A new rumor of AMD's next-gen Radeon RX 7000 graphics cards based on the RDNA 3 GPU architecture has been posted by Enthusiast Citizen.

wccftech.com

The guy leaking this was also the dude that posted the early 13900K review (legit) a few weeks ago. Hmmm.

 

[ICDP]

Looking at the poll in the rtx 4000 only 3.5% of the vote is interested in the 4080s although this has jumped slightly in the last day or so probably because people have watched the 4090 reviews and think the 4080s will be really good but I think they are in for a shock.

Nvidia has only come up with this silly pricing to sell off their old ampere cards, if AMD follow suit all they are doing is helping a competitor offload old stock then once it's all gone nvidia will just drop their prices and leave AMD looking stupid.

Nvidia will not drop their prices, don't be so naive. Once Ampere sells out they will just slot the 4050, 4060 and 4070 GPUs into the now vacant price slots.

 

[RavenXXX2]

Nvidia own 85% of the gpu market, AMD has no right to sell in earshot of them, they won't sell.

That would be great but if we assume that chart is correct for 7xx0 performance and compare the $900 4080 12GB GPU and the 7800XT at your proposed $650.

You want AMD to sell a GPU that is around 20% faster, with 33% more VRAM for $250 less? Please tell us what part of that expectation is reasonable?

I'm not defending those prices but if they sell at those prices for Nvidia, then AMD owe us absolutely nothing.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

The problem is if people buy those 4080s at that price then AMD have zero incentive to price massively below that. Selling one GPU at 50% profit is better than selling 4 at 10% profit. AMD have already said they are not the value proposition people think they should be.

4080 comes out after AMDs announcement.

 

[ICDP]

Nvidia own 85% of the gpu market, AMD has no right to sell in earshot of them, they won't sell.

Yeah, that was the tune we heard for the last AMD GPU releases all the way back to their HD 6000 series GPU. In fact if I recall the HD 6000 series did massively undercut the GTX 580 for price and performance was about 10% slower. Yet AMD still bled marketshare.

History has proved that even if AMD do undercut Nvidia significantly for similar or only marginally less performance, they just don't sell as well as Nvidia. So AMD just seem to have accepted that seem to price with marginally better price/perf. If marketshare was their aim they would have massively undercut Nvidia a long time ago. ATI tried that with 4870 and 5870 and it didn't work long term at all.

 

[pete910]

AMD tried that with 4870 and 5870 and it didn't work long term at all.

FTFY

 

[Joxeon]

That would be great but if we assume that chart is correct for 7xx0 performance and compare the $900 4080 12GB GPU and the 7800XT at your proposed $650.

You want AMD to sell a GPU that is around 20% faster, with 33% more VRAM for $250 less? Please tell us what part of that expectation is reasonable?

I'm not defending those prices but if they sell at those prices for Nvidia, then AMD owe us absolutely nothing.

If a 7800XT is around 20% faster than a 3090 then that would mean it's around 35-40% faster than a 6800XT which is fine if the price stays the same (bear in mind the 3080 delivered 65% increase over the 2080 for the same money) if it increases to $800 then it's around a 25% price hike for 35-40% performance which doesn't look so great especially if you can get a 3090/3080ti for around $700 or less.

Zen 4 just released on the 5nm process and delivered around a 35-40% performance uplift yet the prices stayed the same and even decreased on 2 of the 4 SKUs so clearly the 5nm isn't a huge jump in costs over 7nm while the 7800XT / 7850XT memory configs and board power look similar to last gen so how it costs have risen for a 7800XT by 25% and 54% for the 7850XT.

 

[Joxeon]

Nvidia will not drop their prices, don't be so naive. Once Ampere sells out they will just slot the 4050, 4060 and 4070 GPUs into the now vacant price slots.

They will if no one buys them.

 

[Twinz]

They will if no one buys them.

Indeed. They dropped the 3090Ti like a stone.

 

[sparkymark75]

They will if no one buys them.

There are plenty of idiots being relieved of their money for the 4090 so despite the outcries about the 4080. They’ll still lap it up.

 

[gpuerrilla]

It's not really something that needs "solving" as such. RDNA 2's poor ray tracing performance was a choice on AMD's part. They went as hard as they could on rasterization and elected not to include as much dedicated RT hardware acceleration as Nvidia (which has expanded even further on that front with Lovelace). Intel have already shown that getting RT right isn't some impossible task that only Nvidia can accomplish. RDNA 3's RT performance will depend on just how much hardware AMD are willing to throw at it. Nobody knows that as of yet, as they've pretty effectively kept a lid on any sort of leaks surrounding RDNA 3. A few of the usual grifters like MLID have hinted at things, but we know how that turns out much of the time.

Whilst I do not disagree, AMD have spent far less time working on RT and also have less resources/budget in comparison. This may not be excusable to many but I would judge how RDNA3 performance materialises first as this will be their second chance hardware wise. I would love to see them get close this gen however a less win would also be beating ampere's performance showing more progression.

 

[ICDP]

If a 7800XT is around 20% faster than a 3090 then that would mean it's around 35-40% faster than a 6800XT which is fine if the price stays the same (bear in mind the 3080 delivered 65% increase over the 2080 for the same money) if it increases to $800 then it's around a 25% price hike for 35-40% performance which doesn't look so great especially if you can get a 3090/3080ti for around $700 or less.

Zen 4 just released on the 5nm process and delivered around a 35-40% performance uplift yet the prices stayed the same and even decreased on 2 of the 4 SKUs so clearly the 5nm isn't a huge jump in costs over 7nm while the 7800XT / 7850XT memory configs and board power look similar to last gen so how it costs have risen for a 7800XT by 25% and 54% for the 7850XT.

I hope you are right and we see realistic prices. I do agree the Nvidia 4080 prices are terrible and that in itself leads me to think AMD 7x00 GPUs will be meh. We only need to look at history to see that when Nvidia sense AMD messed up, they bump their tiers up. So the fact we have a 4080 12GB at such poor price performance means Nvidia are pricing it there for a reason.

FTFY

Indeed, my mistake.