Refuse to buy a 1070 at current pricing

[henson0115]

completely agree with you on that except the under engineered part - if anything Pascal seems to be a huge step forward.

In my case however it's all AMD's fault. I did have ATI / AMD cards and AMD processors until they started to screw up things, drivers not working, 3D not working for years so I was stuck on old drivers for a very long time.

That was the point when I went with Nvidia exclusively and never looked back.
I was thinking to give them another chance now seeing how much the 1070 and 80 cost, but I found a way to buy affordable ones so not going to give AMD a chance this time either.

It's their own fault I'm afraid. I don't care about the cost, it's about the quality and durability that I am after and I am getting it with Nvidia.

both sides have had issues, if you think any differently then you are mistaken.

 

[Griffildur]

both sides have had issues, if you think any differently then you are mistaken.

Maybe so, but I've never had an issue with the drivers from Nvidia like I had with AMD ones. It's pure observation and my money goes where it makes sense.

 

[henson0115]

Maybe so, but I've never had an issue with the drivers from Nvidia like I had with AMD ones. It's pure observation and my money goes where it makes sense.

completely agree that your money should go where it does make sense to you, simply pointing out the facts.

 

[Caracus2k]

You'd see people up in arms about that if they'd previously been relatively affordable.

With the 1070 they are basically trying to charge executive saloon car money for what realistically is a ford mondeo.

Fastest single gpu on the market is stated to be comparable with Ford Mondeo!

That's the problem with these posts... their plain ridiculous. As I have said before you can't play memory bus width or die size. The 1080 is the current fastest single gpu in almost all scenarios no ifs no buts...

Yes a 'Pascal' Titan and or Ti will probably be along I'm due course but guess what a small die 'Volta' gpu that will be faster will probably be releases after that and the usual suspects will no doubt be calling that 'mid range' and up in arams again about the price.

Neither Intel, AMD nor NVIDIA owe consumers anything. You want their wares you pay their prices or you don't simple as

 

[XeNoNF50]

Because the 1080 is sort of in a price bracket not defined by a card of previous generations.

If their intention was to separate these new cards from their old counterparts, they've done it wrong really. If you release a card called a 1070, it's gonna be compared directly to the 970..

Can't tell if that is what has happened or the price will drop to standard 970 pricing after a few months.

 

[McGraw]

I got 170 for my 970 so I'll now be getting one of these if one short enough for my case and is 375 or less and available by the 26th..looking like the freddie kreuger currently.

If I can't get one by then I'll wait and see.

With people selling 970s for 125 on the mm and the 480on it's way, I figure it's swings and roundabouts on cost vs my 970 sell price.

I hate myself for caving in but I want one and I need something soon.

 

[i_am_jon]

Very close to pre-ordering the Zotac 1070 AMP for £389. Still more than I was hoping to pay but I do need an upgrade to my old 680 GTX 2gb.

Hoping to see some reviews for AIB cards before ordering. Looks like it has decent cooler, power and factory overclock, plus 5 year warranty. Looks quite nice as well and still one of the cheaper 1070's.

Sadly I don't think prices are going to drop for a while yet.

edit: Just measured up my case (Silverstone FT02) 300mm card should just about fit, a lot bigger than I expected though (are they including the bracket and ports in that?).

 

[DarrenM343]

Fastest single gpu on the market is stated to be comparable with Ford Mondeo!

Since when has a Ford Mondeo been ever at the forefront of technology AND the fastest thing on the road? Never.
the 1080 is both of those in GPU context , and 1070 nudges ahead of the last M3 too.....TX

I do car analogies too, usually failing well

 

[nomadd]

This morning I see that Microsoft have announced mouse and keyboard compatibility is coming to Xbox One very soon. If games like the aforementioned Doom can be patched to play wth m&kb I'll ditch the whole upgrade and just buy an Xbox. It would cost less than what nVidia want for their ******* graphic card.

Taking today's XBOX price drops into account, the base model is now half the price of a decent 1070, and about a third of the price of a decent 1080. Nvidia are pushing me more towards consoles every day.

 

[.Trooper.]

Taking today's XBOX price drops into account, the base model is now half the price of a decent 1070, and about a third of the price of a decent 1080. Nvidia are pushing me more towards consoles every day.

But these graphics cards aren't comparable to the XBOX? Nor the new incoming XBOX...

You can get a RX 480 in 15 days or whatever which will perform around about the same, or better than the new upcoming XBOX...

 

[lordfletch]

Fastest single gpu on the market is stated to be comparable with Ford Mondeo!

That's the problem with these posts... their plain ridiculous. As I have said before you can't play memory bus width or die size. The 1080 is the current fastest single gpu in almost all scenarios no ifs no buts...

Yes a 'Pascal' Titan and or Ti will probably be along I'm due course but guess what a small die 'Volta' gpu that will be faster will probably be releases after that and the usual suspects will no doubt be calling that 'mid range' and up in arams again about the price.

Neither Intel, AMD nor NVIDIA owe consumers anything. You want their wares you pay their prices or you don't simple as

they are mid range cards though, all part of nvidias top notch marketing.the titan/ti will be turn up eventually, they are at present nvidias " top range" place holder.

Neither Intel, AMD nor NVIDIA owe consumers anything. You want their wares you pay their prices or you don't simple as

the market dictates the price not intel/amd or nvidia, the market can be manipulated of course(as we are seeing) but this works both ways.

 

[Phil87]

Just to show how bad the UK prices are, I checked what it would cost to order a 1070 FE from an American site, and it's £414. That includes just under £70 of "Estimated VAT/GST & Duty". The difference is the cards are actually in stock over there, so UK sites are effectively in competition with them.

Also just wondering, how would warranties work if anyone bought a graphics card from America? Can you just register the warranty with the manufacturer so it doesn't matter which country the card was bought from?

(Sorry if this post is a bit close to breaking forum rules, but I'm trying not to mention specific websites)

 

[Muz333]

Not only do I need a new GPU (the 1070 is/was the card I want) I need a new cpu, mainboard and ram. Going to cost me over a thousand euro as I haven't upgraded since 2008.

I especially want to upgrade so I can play stuff like Doom 4, Rise Of The Tomb Raider and a few others (mostly shooters). Stuff that is available on or coming to console.

This morning I see that Microsoft have announced mouse and keyboard compatibility is coming to Xbox One very soon. If games like the aforementioned Doom can be patched to play wth m&kb I'll ditch the whole upgrade and just buy an Xbox. It would cost less than what nVidia want for their ******* graphic card.

Or you could buy a cheaper low end card or old model card on par with a console? I don't see why good mid end cards such as the 1070/1080 should cost less than a console when they are far more powerful.

 

[Caracus2k]

they are mid range cards though

The 1080 is the fastest single GPU consumer card across a wide range of tests no ifs no buts.

If you want to call it 'mid range' now I expect you assume it should have a 'mid range' price to match lets say roughly 300 pounds. Now the Titan and Ti 'top end' variants would sell for around 600-800 pounds? makes sense so far?

..... No its totally ridiculous if NVIDIA pursued a market strategy like this it would cost them $$$$'s.

Why? Well it makes sense to come to market with a smaller die for a new process as yields are likely to be better on a smaller process and you can churn out more volume whilst refining the manufacturing process for a bigger die to follow in more limited quantities down the road. The smaller die product generally slightly outperforms the 'big' die product from the previous gen in this pattern historically. As the small die product is made in greater quantities and comes first it makes sense to try and recoup a lot of the cost of the R+D on it as GPU's are very expensive to develop and have a very limited shelf life for sales you can then afford to reduce the 'R+D' component in the price for the bigger GPU product down the line to make the most of your investment into the process.

Most of the end consumer cost of a GPU like the 1080 is to recoup R+D costs not to recoup manufacturing costs much like CPU's!

Now if NVIDIA charged 300 pounds for their 'mid range' cards as you call them and 600- 800 pounds for their 'high end' cards what would actually happen to the GPU market and consumer buying habits?

People smart with money would very quickly stop buying the 'high end' cards and just skip to the first release 'mid range' cards saving a bundle every generation whilst drastically reducing the demand for the 'high end' products as a result. Now obviously this would drastically effect NVIDIA's turnover (negatively) making the whole idea a non starter.

Judge GPU's by their PERFORMANCE not their die size or memory bandwidth because guess what after the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti there will probably be a faster 1180GTX with a 'mid range' GPU to boot but which will probably outperform the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti !!

 

[siriq111]

The 1080 is the fastest single GPU consumer card across a wide range of tests no ifs no buts.

If you want to call it 'mid range' now I expect you assume it should have a 'mid range' price to match lets say roughly 300 pounds. Now the Titan and Ti 'top end' variants would sell for around 600-800 pounds? makes sense so far?

..... No its totally ridiculous if NVIDIA pursued a market strategy like this it would cost them $$$$'s.

Why? Well it makes sense to come to market with a smaller die for a new process as yields are likely to be better on a smaller process and you can churn out more volume whilst refining the manufacturing process for a bigger die to follow in more limited quantities down the road. The smaller die product generally slightly outperforms the 'big' die product from the previous gen in this pattern historically. As the small die product is made in greater quantities and comes first it makes sense to try and recoup a lot of the cost of the R+D on it as GPU's are very expensive to develop and have a very limited shelf life for sales you can then afford to reduce the 'R+D' component in the price for the bigger GPU product down the line to make the most of your investment into the process.

Most of the end consumer cost of a GPU like the 1080 is to recoup R+D costs not to recoup manufacturing costs much like CPU's!

Now if NVIDIA charged 300 pounds for their 'mid range' cards as you call them and 600- 800 pounds for their 'high end' cards what would actually happen to the GPU market and consumer buying habits?

People smart with money would very quickly stop buying the 'high end' cards and just skip to the first release 'mid range' cards saving a bundle every generation whilst drastically reducing the demand for the 'high end' products as a result. Now obviously this would drastically effect NVIDIA's turnover (negatively) making the whole idea a non starter.

Judge GPU's by their PERFORMANCE not their die size or memory bandwidth because guess what after the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti there will probably be a faster 1180GTX with a 'mid range' GPU to boot but which will probably outperform the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti !!

I agree. All i can say.

 

[The Asgard]

The 1080 is the fastest single GPU consumer card across a wide range of tests no ifs no buts.

If you want to call it 'mid range' now I expect you assume it should have a 'mid range' price to match lets say roughly 300 pounds. Now the Titan and Ti 'top end' variants would sell for around 600-800 pounds? makes sense so far?

..... No its totally ridiculous if NVIDIA pursued a market strategy like this it would cost them $$$$'s.

Why? Well it makes sense to come to market with a smaller die for a new process as yields are likely to be better on a smaller process and you can churn out more volume whilst refining the manufacturing process for a bigger die to follow in more limited quantities down the road. The smaller die product generally slightly outperforms the 'big' die product from the previous gen in this pattern historically. As the small die product is made in greater quantities and comes first it makes sense to try and recoup a lot of the cost of the R+D on it as GPU's are very expensive to develop and have a very limited shelf life for sales you can then afford to reduce the 'R+D' component in the price for the bigger GPU product down the line to make the most of your investment into the process.

Most of the end consumer cost of a GPU like the 1080 is to recoup R+D costs not to recoup manufacturing costs much like CPU's!

Now if NVIDIA charged 300 pounds for their 'mid range' cards as you call them and 600- 800 pounds for their 'high end' cards what would actually happen to the GPU market and consumer buying habits?

People smart with money would very quickly stop buying the 'high end' cards and just skip to the first release 'mid range' cards saving a bundle every generation whilst drastically reducing the demand for the 'high end' products as a result. Now obviously this would drastically effect NVIDIA's turnover (negatively) making the whole idea a non starter.

Judge GPU's by their PERFORMANCE not their die size or memory bandwidth because guess what after the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti there will probably be a faster 1180GTX with a 'mid range' GPU to boot but which will probably outperform the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti !!

Spot on.

 

[regulus]

Had a go on a 1070 yesterday on Witcher 3. Monitor - 1440p widescreen (3440). Tbh, I weren't overly impressed. Seemed marginally more smooth than my 980GTX but not the killer card everyone is making it out to be. Weren't overclocked as it's going into a prebuilt system for someone and we didn't what to risk it. Might be a bit better overclocked but I feel at this price point ... I gotta be crazy to get it at this price.

Viewing the performance firsthand makes it easier to forget about this whole business and wait for the Ti or Vega.

However, for a more 'normal' 2560x1440 it might play better.

For 1080p this thing will be a monster.

 

[Scramz]

The US pricing seems to be sitting correctly but the UK doesn't, however it is not by £100's.

Looking at a EVGA 1070 ACX 3.0.

US Site up for $419. You can order from a UK site for £409 delivered.

$419 is on todays rate roughly £300 then add 20% tax taking it to £360. This is all without other costs e.g. shipping etc.

Basically the gouging is £35-50 extra on top.

In the grand scheme of things, me personally would pay the extra £35-50 instead of waiting a few months for the price to drop. Then again I am a impatient sod.

 

[siriq111]

The US pricing seems to be sitting correctly but the UK doesn't, however it is not by £100's.

Looking at a EVGA 1070 ACX 3.0.

US Site up for $419. You can order from a UK site for £409 delivered.

$419 is on todays rate roughly £300 then add 20% tax taking it to £360. This is all without other costs e.g. shipping etc.

Basically the gouging is £35-50 extra on top.

In the grand scheme of things, me personally would pay the extra £35-50 instead of waiting a few months for the price to drop. Then again I am a impatient sod.

Don't forget the BREXIT effect. Really gives some extra cash pressure on prices. Some of the worst case scenario, +30-40% on prices.

 

[sunshinewelly]

The 1080 is the fastest single GPU consumer card across a wide range of tests no ifs no buts.

If you want to call it 'mid range' now I expect you assume it should have a 'mid range' price to match lets say roughly 300 pounds. Now the Titan and Ti 'top end' variants would sell for around 600-800 pounds? makes sense so far?

..... No its totally ridiculous if NVIDIA pursued a market strategy like this it would cost them $$$$'s.

Why? Well it makes sense to come to market with a smaller die for a new process as yields are likely to be better on a smaller process and you can churn out more volume whilst refining the manufacturing process for a bigger die to follow in more limited quantities down the road. The smaller die product generally slightly outperforms the 'big' die product from the previous gen in this pattern historically. As the small die product is made in greater quantities and comes first it makes sense to try and recoup a lot of the cost of the R+D on it as GPU's are very expensive to develop and have a very limited shelf life for sales you can then afford to reduce the 'R+D' component in the price for the bigger GPU product down the line to make the most of your investment into the process.

Most of the end consumer cost of a GPU like the 1080 is to recoup R+D costs not to recoup manufacturing costs much like CPU's!

Now if NVIDIA charged 300 pounds for their 'mid range' cards as you call them and 600- 800 pounds for their 'high end' cards what would actually happen to the GPU market and consumer buying habits?

People smart with money would very quickly stop buying the 'high end' cards and just skip to the first release 'mid range' cards saving a bundle every generation whilst drastically reducing the demand for the 'high end' products as a result. Now obviously this would drastically effect NVIDIA's turnover (negatively) making the whole idea a non starter.

Judge GPU's by their PERFORMANCE not their die size or memory bandwidth because guess what after the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti there will probably be a faster 1180GTX with a 'mid range' GPU to boot but which will probably outperform the Titan (whatever) and 1080Ti !!

Totally agree. There are some real wingers on this site. I am happy with the price of both the 1070 & 1080