Rest in peace Keeley Bunker, raped and murdered by 'friend' on walk home...

Greebo said:
Oh I am bothered, I have always been bothered about all the women raped and children sexually assaulted everyday, all the hundreds of them. You just seem obsessed by one. Thats what I find so strange. You have rapists getting to know women everyday with the only reason is they plan to rape them. Chances are one of your family, friends or work colleagues is one.
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I'm obsessed? You seem obsessed with trying to bait people in this thread. Just read your own posts. Crass.

You have posted more replies in this thread than anyone you tell me who is obsessed.
 
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You have rapists getting to know women everyday with the only reason is they plan to rape them.
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That... is grooming of an adult, yes?

Edit: meant to tack this on to my last post as it was meant to be a continuation of that statement. D'oh!
 
The Running Man said:
I'm obsessed? You seem obsessed with trying to bait people in this thread. Just read your own posts. Crass.

You have posted more replies in this thread than anyone you tell me who is obsessed.
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Not trying to "bait people", I am just annoyed that you are so angry over one thing yet don't seem to care about anything else.

Why didn't you start your thread about the 131 women raped everyday in this country and about why they are so many British rapists and what is wrong with British men that we are so disposed to being rapey blokes and what perhaps can be done about it.
 
Greebo said:
Not trying to "bait people", I am just annoyed that you are so angry over one thing yet don't seem to care about anything else.

Why didn't you start your thread about the 131 women raped everyday in this country and about why they are so many British rapists and what is wrong with British men that we are so disposed to being rapey blokes and what perhaps can be done about it.
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British men are some of the least 'rapey' in the world.
 
Way to go justice system... continually failing women .

I can't believe how they get away with charge after charge of sexual assault and abuse,even from different women.
Always find the police are very willing to press charges etc and help but it seems as soon as the CPS get a look it's all charges dropped,no matter how good the evidence is.

Said it before in another thread but something is really wrong with the bloody system,feel sorry for women who speak out and make a stand only to be let down at the end...often with horrible consequences.
 
alchal said:
Way to go justice system... continually failing women .

I can't believe how they get away with charge after charge of sexual assault and abuse,even from different women.
Always find the police are very willing to press charges etc and help but it seems as soon as the CPS get a look it's all charges dropped,no matter how good the evidence is.

Said it before in another thread but something is really wrong with the bloody system,feel sorry for women who speak out and make a stand only to be let down at the end...often with horrible consequences.
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The trouble is it's often incredibly difficult to prove.
I also know of a couple of guys who have been falsely accused. Which doesn't help matters.
 
Greebo said:
Not trying to "bait people", I am just annoyed that you are so angry over one thing yet don't seem to care about anything else.

Why didn't you start your thread about the 131 women raped everyday in this country and about why they are so many British rapists and what is wrong with British men that we are so disposed to being rapey blokes and what perhaps can be done about it.
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Why don't you start that thread. Do you not care about them?

This thread is about the rape and murder of a young woman. That is quite rare so not sure why you have a problem with someone starting a thread about it.

We all know what you're trying to imply so just say it.
 
alchal said:
Way to go justice system... continually failing women .

I can't believe how they get away with charge after charge of sexual assault and abuse,even from different women.
Always find the police are very willing to press charges etc and help but it seems as soon as the CPS get a look it's all charges dropped,no matter how good the evidence is.

Said it before in another thread but something is really wrong with the bloody system,feel sorry for women who speak out and make a stand only to be let down at the end...often with horrible consequences.
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Totally agree. The CPS seem to be letting women down. The number of cases which even reach court is pathetically small and then the successful prosecution rate is even smaller. Only 1.7% of reported rapes led to a prosecution in 2018. In 2018 only 3.8 per cent of sexual offences resulted in a charge or summons, down from 5.6 per cent the previous year. Just 1.7 per cent of rapes resulted in a charge or summons last year, compared to 3.3 per cent in 2017. Is it any wonder that these sexual predators keep going on sexually assaulting/raping victim after victim and occasionally murdering them?

No wonder so many women don;t even bother reporting sexual assualts/rape.

Even more concerning and whether its due to police resources is the number of suspects being released under investigation with no restrictions on their movements by police, rather than with stricter bail conditions. Quite often these individuals go onto to rape or murder later.

For example, Kay Richardson, 49, who was beaten and strangled to death by Alan Martin, 53, in September 2018, just days after he had been arrested for allegedly raping her but was released under investigation by police, without any restrictions.

The Govt and our Justice system and Police are letting these women down badly.
 
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Greebo said:
Not trying to "bait people", I am just annoyed that you are so angry over one thing yet don't seem to care about anything else.

Why didn't you start your thread about the 131 women raped everyday in this country and about why they are so many British rapists and what is wrong with British men that we are so disposed to being rapey blokes and what perhaps can be done about it.
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You're the one so concerned, knock yourself out. This thread is about one specific person, why would we be discussing all the other cases? Do you also go in to every RIP thread and ask everyone why they're not offering condolences for every other person that's died or are you a hypocrite?

It's bloody awful what happened here and we all know it happens to far too many people than it should but that's irrelevant to this thread.

I do agree that there are some serious flaws in the system. The punishment for crimes like this should be capital imo.
 
Dis86 said:
British men are some of the least 'rapey' in the world.
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Exactly.....

Think Greebo watches too much BBC news and has a hint of self hatred.

''why they are so many British rapists and what is wrong with British men that we are so disposed to being rapey blokes''

LOL speak for yourself, whats this WE business.
 
CosmicClown said:
Exactly.....

Think Greebo watches too much BBC news and has a hint of self hatred.

''why they are so many British rapists and what is wrong with British men that we are so disposed to being rapey blokes''

LOL speak for yourself, whats this WE business.
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You not British then?

Relative to the population of each country, police in England and Wales recorded the highest number of violent sexual offences per hundred thousand inhabitants in 2015 (130), followed by Sweden (120) and Belgium (nearly 66).

England and Wales again had the highest rate of rape per hundred thousand inhabitants (62) that year, followed by Sweden (56) and Iceland (54). Countries with the lowest rates of rape that were reported and recorded by the police per hundred thousand inhabitants were Montenegro (0.80), Serbia (0.86) and Greece (1.12).
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https://www.euronews.com/2017/11/24/which-eu-countries-have-the-highest-rate-of-sex-crimes-

More rapes and other violent sexual crimes are recorded by police in England and Wales than anywhere else in the European Union, new statistics show.

Some 64,500 attacks were recorded in the two countries during 2015 of which 35,800 were rapes, according to figures released by Eurostat.


The overall figure for England and Wales accounted for 30 per cent of the EU total – about 215,000 – while the number of rape reports was nearly 45 per cent of the union’s 80,000 total.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-reported-police-european-union-a8072026.html

So yeah I think its fair to say we have a particular problem in the UK and are far more rapey than any other EU country since 45% of all rapes in the whole EU occur in the UK.

But please show me the that stats that shows that all our rapes and sexual assaults are done by foreigners and I will take it back that British men are more "rapey"
 
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alchal said:
Way to go justice system... continually failing women .

I can't believe how they get away with charge after charge of sexual assault and abuse,even from different women.
Always find the police are very willing to press charges etc and help but it seems as soon as the CPS get a look it's all charges dropped,no matter how good the evidence is.

Said it before in another thread but something is really wrong with the bloody system,feel sorry for women who speak out and make a stand only to be let down at the end...often with horrible consequences.
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The role of the CPS, as I understand it, is to assess the evidence presented by the police and decide whether there is a realistic prospect of getting a conviction. If so many charges are being dropped then I would assume that there is insufficient evidence. It's going to be hard to gather evidence for a crime which is mostly one-on-one with no witnesses. The other option is to "believe all women" without needing such a high level of evidence. This might seem a good approach at first but there have been quite a few false rape cases which have ruined the innocent mans life even after the charge has been proven to be false. So it's a fine balancing act between protecting women and ensuring an innocent persons life isn't ruined.

How do you think we could improve conviction rates for genuine cases without increasing the number of false prosecutions?
 
Greebo said:
You not British then?



https://www.euronews.com/2017/11/24/which-eu-countries-have-the-highest-rate-of-sex-crimes-



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-reported-police-european-union-a8072026.html

So yeah I think its fair to say we have a particular problem in the UK and are far more rapey than any other EU country since 45% of all rapes in the whole EU occur in the UK.

But please show me the that stats that shows that all our rapes and sexual assaults are done by foreigners and I will take it back that British men are more "rapey"
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Not trying to disagree with you and if the UK has a particular problem then I'd want that called out and immediately addressed. But something to note about that report is that it refers to sexual crimes, not specifically rapes (unless I've misunderstood something - please correct me if I'm wrong). This includes crimes which exploit others, a sexual assault (which could be groping) and prostitution related offences. So it is possibly correct that the UK has the highest number of sexual crimes in Europe but not necessarily the highest number of rapes.

EDIT: A very quick google (so might be wrong) also shows that not all EU member states classify the various sexual crimes in the same way. So what is a crime in one member state might not be prosecuted in another. So the comparison can't be 100% accurate. However I do agree that the definitions will be broadly in line and so these figures are probably the best we can hope for. As mentioned, not trying to deny any serious problem here and it should absolutely be acted upon.
 
Greebo said:
You not British then?



https://www.euronews.com/2017/11/24/which-eu-countries-have-the-highest-rate-of-sex-crimes-



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-reported-police-european-union-a8072026.html

So yeah I think its fair to say we have a particular problem in the UK and are far more rapey than any other EU country since 45% of all rapes in the whole EU occur in the UK.

But please show me the that stats that shows that all our rapes and sexual assaults are done by foreigners and I will take it back that British men are more "rapey"
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Not fair to say that at all as we know in a lot of other countries they're horrendous at recording stats and even treating offences as rape.
The UK, albeit far from perfect is one of the best.
 
Hades said:
Not trying to disagree with you and if the UK has a particular problem then I'd want that called out and immediately addressed. But something to note about that report is that it refers to sexual crimes, not specifically rapes (unless I've misunderstood something - please correct me if I'm wrong). This includes crimes which exploit others, a sexual assault (which could be groping) and prostitution related offences. So it is possibly correct that the UK has the highest number of sexual crimes in Europe but not necessarily the highest number of rapes.

EDIT: A very quick google (so might be wrong) also shows that not all EU member states classify the various sexual crimes in the same way. So what is a crime in one member state might not be prosecuted in another. So the comparison can't be 100% accurate. However I do agree that the definitions will be broadly in line and so these figures are probably the best we can hope for. As mentioned, not trying to deny any serious problem here and it should absolutely be acted upon.
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I agree that different countries define sexual assault differently so it is hard to compare but we still top the EU on rapes as well if you click on my links. The article goes on to refer to the rape stats in addition to the sexual assault. . Rape definition may also vary from country to country like some may have it that a woman can never be raped by their husband for example. However, since we have such a low and appalling record on how many rapes even get reported in the UK, the fact that we account for 45% of all EU reported cases in addition to topping the sexual assault cases is of concern IMO and does, at least by the stats, make UK men the most "rapey" of all the EU and means we definitely do have a major problem in the UK.

I, and many others, do think that rape and sexual assault is an issue in the UK but it always seem to get ignored. I mean even on this thread we have had at least two posters laughing it off that we might even be close to being the" top rapists" in the EU and I am talking rubbish and have watched "too much BBC"

Some people seem to think British people don't rape and "its just not the done thing old chap". Its about time they educated themselves. Same with pedos, we seem to have a disproportionate larger number of them in the UK as well with 6000 per year being arrested on average and 51,000 kids per year sexually assaulted.
 
@Greebo I agree with you with what you're saying, and certainly @The Running Man was unquestionably trying to force his own race agenda in here. Perhaps people calling Greebo out for being obsessed or whatever, didn't read the original starting post where the OPs true concern (the race of the male, rather than the victim) was clearly evident.

It was this that Greebo was calling out, I think.
 
The Kid said:
I was raped by a sixth form girl during lunch break when I was 12. The unnamed sixth form girl was the second hardest in our school. I tried fighting her off, but she overpowered me. She (the cat's mother), put me in an arm lock, gave me a love bite the size of a grapefruit and put her hand down my trousers. All the boys in my class were afraid of her. She went around telling people that I was her boyfriend. She soon got bored and moved on to somebody else. I didn't tell the cops because I wasn't that fussed about her molesting me, but the oversized love bite was annoying.
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Pretty sure that's sexual assault not rape...

When was this? It would have been absolutely bizzare in my school if a sixth form girl (16-18) was going around saying she was going out with a 12 year old boy in year 7/8
 
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