Makavelli said:Well obviously voting has to do with something - do you vote for the sake of it or do you believe in a candidate and his policies? eg If Al Gore had won the presidential election instead of George Bush one could argue that America would be signed up to Koyoto - and perhaps the Gulf War II might not have happened, hypothetical i know but those are the possibilites that democracy offers. I'm sorry mate but you say realist and i say defeatist so far all you have given are excuses for why we should not bother to tackle global warming. I agree with you about bio fuels but i said that in my earlier post, why do you assume that it has to be all or nothing? We could cut CO2 emissions by 100% but do we need to? and all at once? The same goes for bio-fuel why do you assume that we need to be totally dependent on them for change to happen. Also i didn't quote the 10 year time frame you did, you may be right about China but if we don't at least try and set an example how can we expect others to follow.
I'm not defeatist, but at the moment. The best we can do is build nuclear power plants and try to cut are energy demands. This we can do and I support that. However green peace in all there wisdom are trying to debunk the plans.
As for 100% I dont mean a 100% but you do need to make it a decent percentage. Otherwise the infrastructure is going to cost more than what you pay for the fuel. Or make the fuel so expensive no one buys it.
Unfortunately, if the predictions are correct (which I doubt it) then yes we do need to cut emissions by a large percentage.
As for china, It's not just there co2 emissions and global warming. I'm looking at a bigger picture. There workforce is cheap. There power is cheap. The more restrictions we put on companies and power production/usage. The more companies are simply going to move abroad.
I'm trying to get across how complicated this matter is, a lot of people just don't comprehend how everything ties together. I'm also playing a bit of devils advicate with some points.
Sorry way of with china.. its 850 over 3 countries.
The official treaty to curb greenhouse-gas emissions hasn't gone into effect yet and already three countries are planning to build nearly 850 new coal-fired plants, which would pump up to five times as much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as the Kyoto Protocol aims to reduce.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1223/p01s04-sten.html
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