Riders Eye View

Enfield · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:08

Treefrog said:
How about getting rid of all cars? That would make the roads even safer. How about banning tinted windows, stickers, furry dice, cars with stupidly small back windows, etc?

Leathers will only reduce any injuries after you have an accident - they won't do anything to stop it happening in the first place. That depends on skill, judgement, knowing your machine and the road - and keeping an eye open for any SFB who's going to try a U-turn in front of you.

TreeFrog, he was making a valid point. Bikers should be made to wear leather just like they're made to wear helmets.

I would also say that bikers probably are the best drivers since they have to be more aware of what's going on around them.

L Plate · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:08

That video was eventually used as evidence when the guy later denied that he was to blame, he claimed that she hit him

It went to court and everything, apparently the guy drifted over hit the curb and the took a good stamp at the brakes.

Notice how he was also the last one to actually go and see if she was okay

L Plate · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:12

Zip said:
A law should be passed for all people that ride motor bikes need to wear ridding leathers. It would make the roads much much safer for them and it would make less casualtys imo.

Ahem, there are plenty of textiles out there now that perform way beyond any leather

And if you choose not to wear it then so be it, more fool them

Treefrog · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:13

Zip said:
I know they wont prevent a crash but it will help to save you from being skinned alive when/if you do crash.
It will make it just that extra bit safer

True - it doesn't make the roads any safer though, which was what I was commenting on.

Enfield · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:15

Treefrog said:
True - it doesn't make the roads any safer though, which was what I was commenting on.

We all know that speed cameras make the road safer

Malachy · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:16

and what does? you choose to expose yourself in a way that makes you more vunerable as a biker, thats your risk that in the event of an accident , which will happen , you are likely to be hurt more.
there are hundreds of car vs car accidents everyday. it is not just bikers.
Ps i am not anti biker at all ( i rode bikes for 4 years) but just a bit anti omfg i am a biker so every other driver must suck and everything is there fault attitude

Mr Jack · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:20

I'm just in the process of booking my CBT.... eek!

Treefrog · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:26

Malachy said:
hmm so on that logic wearing a helmet is pointless too as it only helps you after an accident, not preventing one............ ok mate

In any impact over about 25mph the best helmet in the world won't save you. On the prevention side - imagine an insect flying into your eye at 30mph.

Malachy said:
and yes sure there are plenty of times biking accidents are other peoples faults, but also a hell of a lot of bikers ride recklessly, most of them speed by huge amounts. Show me someone who has a 600 + cc bike who does not go over 100mph regularly when they ride it, and ill be 95% certain ill show you a liar. ofc when this in turn leads to an accident then its once again someone elses fault or the road was slippy, something on bike broke etc etc.

GSX750ES and XS650SE - only been over a ton to find out what they'd do. I'm in the 5%.

Malachy said:
I do however agree that generally bikers do notice things more often and are more road conscious due to if they screw up it will hurt them. I just love the whole biker idea that every accident is nearly always someone elses fault. but then again thats the same with car drivers just usually not so horrific injurys.

We can't afford not to be! And my "sixth sense" has saved me from potential serious injury three times so far

Enfield · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:30

Treefrog said:
In any impact over about 25mph the best helmet in the world won't save you. On the prevention side - imagine an insect flying into your eye at 30mph.

Sorry, but you're talking out of your back-side.

So at anything above 25mph you don't need a helmet, what the...? What if you come off the bike and your head scrapes along the ground for 50 yards. Still don't need a helment? Yeah right.

Zip · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:32

Treefrog said:
In any impact over about 25mph the best helmet in the world won't save you.

Why dont the guys that race in the MOTO GP die more often then? They crash at a lot going faster and harder then normal road riders. Its a pretty nieve thing to say tbh :rolleyes:

Siliconslave · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:38

if it was a head into unmoveable object at 25mph treefrog is right, and i think thats what he means, the speed at which you hit the ground in a 25mph crash isn't 25mph vertically, but if you were to kit a kerb or wall at that speed your helmits not going to do much

Enfield · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:41

Regardless of speed i'd take my chances with a helmet on any day.

Malachy · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:47

Treefrog said:
In any impact over about 25mph the best helmet in the world won't save you. On the prevention side - imagine an insect flying into your eye at 30mph.

why not just wear sunglasses/goggles then?
as said most head impacts even coming off at 50mph + will not be a direct 25mph impact into an immovable object onto the head, ok yuou may hit a car door with you head but that will dent reducing a lot of the force etc etc. very clever wording to say any impact over 25mph

more along the lines of Any direct impact with an immovable object thus transfering all kinectic energy into your head then yeah ill agree

F355 · 16 Feb 2006 at 13:59

Memphis said:
That you can't trust other road users you mean?

That is exactly what I mean.

Bikes aren't dangerous but when on the road you put your life in other peoples hands.

Malachy · 16 Feb 2006 at 14:06

F355 said:
That is exactly what I mean.

Bikes aren't dangerous but when on the road you put your life in other peoples hands.

bikes are more dangerous than cars on the road its that simple. there is a much higher death rate among accidents involving bikers than car drivers.
Flesh does not compete well in a collision with metal/tree/concrete/anything and normally comes second.
i do love bikes but i personally think there is a place for them,
and in todays motoring society with the amount of people driving imo the road is not.
Small mistakes, that will innevitably happen on todays roads may put a dent in your cars wing or a folded bonnet. But if its a biker it potentially causes serious injury or death now if your prepared to take that risk KNOWING these facts that there are stupid people on the road and are willing to 'put your life in other peoples hands' as you put it, then who is the most stupid? the driver whos attention lapses for a second and has an accident? or the person who knows there are bad drivers and that there is a good chance that he/she will have an accident and seriously hurt themselves on a bike due to them, yet still jumps on one?

however on the track bikes are safe as you say moto gp riders and various other motorsport riders crash at over 100mph and brush themselves down throw there gloves in the gravel and walk to the pit lane.
This is due to having huge run off zones and not to much to hit while loosing the speed, on the road there is a lot to hit and sorry this causes the death and injuries.

Treefrog · 16 Feb 2006 at 14:26

Enfield said:
Sorry, but you're talking out of your back-side.

So at anything above 25mph you don't need a helmet, what the...? What if you come off the bike and your head scrapes along the ground for 50 yards. Still don't need a helment? Yeah right.

Impact - Duuh!

Treefrog · 16 Feb 2006 at 14:28

Zip said:
Why dont the guys that race in the MOTO GP die more often then? They crash at a lot going faster and harder then normal road riders. Its a pretty nieve thing to say tbh

Maybe because their head doesn't impact on something?
If you're going to quote me people, at least read the ruddy quote!

Malachy · 16 Feb 2006 at 14:29

Treefrog said:
Impact - Duuh!

yes but an impact could be your bike hitting a car at 25mph

however from your statement this would mean a helmet would not save you and your going to die.............

Enfield · 16 Feb 2006 at 14:33

Treefrog said:
Impact - Duuh!

WTF are you talking about.

Lets say im riding a motorbike at 50mph on a straight road. Further up the road to the left there is a junction with a car waiting. The car pulls out in front of me and I crash into the wing of the car. I fly over the bonnet and slide across the road.

Still not worth wearing a helmet?

Duuh yourself.

Zip · 16 Feb 2006 at 14:36

Treefrog said:
Maybe because their head doesn't impact on something?
If you're going to quote me people, at least read the ruddy quote!

The way me and possibly Malachy and Enfield and other people would normally view your head impacting on the road.

Ill put it in steps for you.

Fall of motor bike

Head slams down on the road (Ie:impact with road)

Helmet protects head against Impact

Person comes out of it better then they would with out a helmet because the impact was cushed due to wearing a helmet.

Impact is many things you know. My fingers are impacting on the keys as i type this out.
You should have explaned what you ment when you first wrote it out and not have been so vague about it :rolleyes: