RIP Diesel?

[TW]Fox said:
Not true.

All facelift 5 Series - introduced in 2013 - are Euro 6 compliant.
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They cannot be as the spec was not approved until a year later.

Edit: I stand corrected. I remember when I was looking at diesels around that age it seemed to be pretty adamant that it couldn't be ratified until the spec was approved. Always happy to be corrected when wrong. :)
 
layte said:
They cannot be as the spec was not approved until a year later.
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This simply isn't true and I've provided evidence to demonstrate it in my post. If the spec wasn't approved until 2014 then it would have been impossible for manufacturers to meet the deadline for new vehicle type approval conformance which was... 2014! It takes more than a few months to design an engine for a new model...

The relevant spec is here:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:32012R0459

Approval date was 2012:

Commission Regulation (EU) No 459/2012 of 29 May 2012 amending Regulation (EC) No 715/2007 of the European Parliament and of the Council and Commission Regulation (EC) No 692/2008 as regards emissions from light passenger and commercial vehicles (Euro 6) Text with EEA relevance
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[TW]Fox said:
This simply isn't true and I've provided evidence to demonstrate it in my post. If the spec wasn't approved until 2014 then it would have been impossible for manufacturers to meet the deadline for new vehicle type approval conformance which was... 2014! It takes more than a few months to design an engine for a new model...
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I'm sure I recall reading way back that even if an engine met all the requirements, a car rolling off the production line could be classified as Euro6 until the specification was ratified, so even if it did meet the requirements, the rating could not be changed once it had left the factory and it could only be rated against an approved specification. That must have changed.
 
I have a company car, and despite the tax advantages of a Hybrid/electric, I will have to stick to a Diesel, the range and MPG is still a fair bit ahead of the alternatives.
 
[TW]Fox said:
It isn't on a rolling basis though - a euro 6 diesel is significantly better (in theory and legislation is invariably based on theory) in terms of particulates so there is far less reason to want to discourage their use. Push everyone to petrol and we'll start having serious issues meeting co2 targets.
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For better or worse - the end game of the Government seems to be -> No more Diesel. That will only mean higher taxes/fees for Diesel drivers - and whether you agree or disagree with the Governments take, that will surely be the end outcome?
 
Our government has made virtually no moves towards that. Most of it seems to be conjecture and speculation which is damaging to the car market.
 
Due to the large number of EU6 diesels that don't meet the targets of the real driving emissions test I don't think it will be long until they include EU6 diesel cars in emissions zones charges and only allow EU6d cars in free which have passed the real driving emissions test.

As far as I can see in test results any EU6 diesel that doesn't have adblue won't meet the target in real world driving
 
Kenai said:
Just tried a few random 13 plate 520ds from Autotrader on the checker and they all came back as subject to the ULEZ charge.

530ds were OK though.
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Almost all of them are 63 plate - the facelift was July 13. Most 13 plates will be prefacelift cars, which are Euro 5.

Crikey, tough crowd this. Trust me, I'm right :p
 
Tinders said:
I have a company car, and despite the tax advantages of a Hybrid/electric, I will have to stick to a Diesel, the range and MPG is still a fair bit ahead of the alternatives.
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I just had to source a nearly new car on a budget for company car duties and I just couldn't justify the extra BIK for a diesel. Ended up with a 1.2 TSI Leon to return nearly £500/year back to my pocket from HMRCs grubby mits. On paper the performance is similar to my old Passat, in practice we'll see I guess.

I only do about 15000 a year at the moment though, 50/50 split of personal and business.

I'm torn on the demonising of diesel. On the one hand I won't miss the stink of even the DPF equipped diesels. Since it was "fixed" by VW my Passat has smelt like it is coal powered. Reversing up my drive the stench just hangs between the buildings and I always notice it when I get out. On the other hand aren't the very latest diesels incredibly clean and aren't they now looking towards the emissions of FI direct injection petrols?
 
The smell of diesel is so bad I swapped my paper particle filter for a carbon one. It removes most of it :D

The clean ones use that "adblue" stuff, which is a liquid filter media and you need to keep it filled or the car won't start. It kinda adds to the fuel cost I guess.
 
I absolutely hated diesels and I was vocal enough about them on here for years. I was then forced into a 530d by virtue of the fact nobody bought a petrol 5 Series and honestly now I'm not sure why I'd want a petrol engine in a car like this. It's just absolutely wonderful and so usable. It's quick, it sounds alright and it has huge tank range for touring which is something we do a lot of.

I toyed with the idea of a the 528i with the 2 litre turbo petrol when I changed my first 530d but honestly, there was just something about a 4 cylinder in a 5 Series that made me prefer the 6 cylinder diesel. And the facelift higher power variant was just even better.

If it got written off tomorrow i'd buy another 530d without hesitation. It's a truly do everything car. I put about 1500 miles on a Mercedes C300 late last year and it didn't seem to do anything my 530d didn't do quicker and more efficiently.

I knew I'd turned into a hopeless cause when I picked up a rental last year and they said I could have a 640i GT or a 630d GT... and I took the 630d :(
 
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