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are we tackling knife crime by giving everyone stab vests?

No, but we are protecting people from crash injury by making seatbelts mandatory, which is a far better analogy.

I get that in a high impact crash, you're screwed anyway. In a low impact crash though or something as simple as coming off your bike and whacking your head on a kerb, a helmet will probably mean the difference between being a vegetable the rest of your life or just having a good concussion.

They should be mandatory if you ask me.

(Of course road infrastructure and education is the main thing that affects cyclist safety. Obviously)
 
just listened to that, was quite interesting, didn't like people coming in and bringing stuff up AGAIN after it had been discussed (ie helmets are mandatory in auz, we know but a) it doesn't save you from a truck driving over you b) it leads to a drop in use, c)are we tackling knife crime by giving everyone stab vests?)

The Australian thing is overplayed, it recovered after initial drops and now there are far more cyclists than before the helmet law.

I'm torn on a law, i dont think we should need one but then the exact same was said about seatbelts back in the day. Of course you can not make cyclists invulnerable and going under the wheels of a lorry is not going to be stopped or person saved by wearing a helmet but its the same as car safety - you can't save every death on the roads through legislation but saving some makes it worth it. Perhaps as part of a range of changes it would be worth it, sensors on lorries, revisions to penalties for drivers who drive dangerously around cyclists and equally for cyclists who ride like muppets.
 
The Australian thing is overplayed, it recovered after initial drops and now there are far more cyclists than before the helmet law.

Do you have a source? Because the most recent reports I've seen from Feb 2012 show it's never recovered.

New Zealand:
http://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal/125-1349/5046/

Aus:
http://ipa.org.au/publications/2019/australia's-helmet-law-disaster

2010 Aus Page 50:
http://acrs.org.au/wp-content/uploads/ACRS-Vol_21-3-WebLR.pdf

The total number of head injuries declined from 702 in 1988-89
to 581 in 1999-2000, with the most marked decline in the ‘0-14
years’ age group (Table 2). However, the majority of the decline
occurred prior to the helmet legislation
and before helmet use
compliance increased

New Zealand introduced mandatory helmet legislation on 1
January 1994. There was a dramatic increase in helmet use and a
51% drop in the number of trips by bicycle between 1989-90 and
2003 to 2006 [26]. An analysis of changes in head injury rates
noted a gradual decline over time, but no marked improvement
associated with increased helmet use compliance [27].

I think Boardman hits the nail on the head and the raging mandatory helmet debate is a waste of energy when you consider the statistics of how many people actually die from cycling and even more so when you bring in serious head injuries. Compared to focusing on real road improvements & better safety awareness for Cyclists and Motorists.
 
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During these dark winter months I can't help but feel the biggest safety improvement that should be being promoted is a good set of lights.

My nightly drive home ill see about 5 cyclists and I'm yet to see one with anything more than a pathetic set of LEDs which can barely be seen.

My two cents
 
During these dark winter months I can't help but feel the biggest safety improvement that should be being promoted is a good set of lights.

My nightly drive home ill see about 5 cyclists and I'm yet to see one with anything more than a pathetic set of LEDs which can barely be seen.

My two cents

Totally agree. Driving back from work today, I saw one cyclist in dark clothing who I didn't think had any rear light until I was right next to him and saw what was a very dim led. Might as well have had no light at all. I think most of us here makes sure we're properly visible but some cyclists don't realise the importance.
 
During these dark winter months I can't help but feel the biggest safety improvement that should be being promoted is a good set of lights.

My nightly drive home ill see about 5 cyclists and I'm yet to see one with anything more than a pathetic set of LEDs which can barely be seen.

My two cents

oh yeah.. i see some guys with no lights at all! and others with batteries that were meant to be replaced moons ago.. jeez.. some people?!
 
Some people take it way to far though and have totally antisocial lights that blind everyone. Nothing worse than following someone dressed light a Christmas tree frying your retinas. Pretty dangerous.
 
AS you may recall, i may have said that i feel the cold really badly

well, i wear shorts with leg warmers on but if its REALLY cold out i wear my base layer under that, seems to be ok, but I am thinking of buying some sort of tights for winter use, so i can use these instead of struggling with the leg warners, so any recomendations?
 
i think you need to get used to it a bit.. every winter i will feel cold like really cold for a bit and then my body kinda gets used to it and i still cycle in jeans and t-shirt with thin leather jacket.. :) and leather gloves
 
i think you need to get used to it a bit.. every winter i will feel cold like really cold for a bit and then my body kinda gets used to it and i still cycle in jeans and t-shirt with thin leather jacket.. :) and leather gloves

Jeans are pretty thick though compared to typical riders attire especially is they arn't tight jeans, dunno how you do it though as when they get wet they must be awful to wear.
 
I have terrible circulation, I also cycle pretty early (6am) and its been getting to about -6C so far according to my garmin.

I wear a thermal bib suit from http://www.cycling-monton.com/ yes I know its fake but I couldn't care less who its made by, the quality is really excellent for the money.

Still I have to wear a pair of compression shorts and a pair of boxers underneath, also a vest and a compression top too... but as said I really do feel the cold.

Edit: also have crud roadracers, very good, can't fault them really.
 
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AS you may recall, i may have said that i feel the cold really badly

well, i wear shorts with leg warmers on but if its REALLY cold out i wear my base layer under that, seems to be ok, but I am thinking of buying some sort of tights for winter use, so i can use these instead of struggling with the leg warners, so any recomendations?

Tights with a bib? I use these:- http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-vaeon-roubaix-padded-bib-tight/

Very good and would buy again, current stock is lacking though...

These are similar to the above but have more relective bits:- http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-vaeon-reflex-roubaix-padded-bib-tight/

Or these which are even warmer than the above, seem to get excellent reviews:- http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dhb-vaeon-zero-padded-bib-tight/
 
Jeans are pretty thick though compared to typical riders attire especially is they arn't tight jeans, dunno how you do it though as when they get wet they must be awful to wear.

not only jeans - chinos too and im ok they are really thin! :) and i don't like baggy trousers so they are slim fit ones :) and yes i do have an extra pair in my backpack in case it rains then i can change them at work, otherwise they are alright doesn't really restrict my movement much - but may not be as comfy since they don't have any padding :) i guess im just used to it.
 
Soon you will start riding with your right jean leg rolled up, replace your bike with a brake-less fixie, run an inappropriately massive chainring and have flat bars that are only the width of your hands.:P
 
Soon you will start riding with your right jean leg rolled up, replace your bike with a brake-less fixie, run an inappropriately massive chainring and have flat bars that are only the width of your hands.:P

ahhaa.. i was thinking that but no ;D i like my gears and my brakes and my drop bars ;D i do ride bmx on the weekends tho and i guess that kinda gets closer to the "fixie/hipster" look you're trying to describe.. but then again i would like a fixie too with drop bars and brakes obviously :) single gear = less maintenance, not that i had to do a lot on my triban 3 yet! done ~800miles on it and only cleaned it and lubricated the chain and other moving parts.. :p
 
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