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Yesterdays ride :p

https://www.strava.com/activities/262787620

Already planning on taking a road bike out there next year:

This was an epic ride, the scenery was pretty special as you can see.

Happily plodding along, in my own little world :D

Check out the Raleigh :o

That looks an awesome place to ride. Slightly more picturesque than the roads around Goodwood :)

What's the weather like out there, hot?
 
To those who TT or Tri, are pointy hats worth it?

I have a Giro Air Attack Shield which will probably do an acceptable job. Spending almost £100-200 on a helmet just to shave like 15 seconds off a 56 mile TT seems a bit much to me. Also, it seems like you can overheat easily in them or have to maintain a perfect position to get the most benefit.
 
It's a shame they're both mechanical discs but to be expected at that price point I guess. If you can't upgrade/top-up I'd go for the Arkose 3 personally as BB7s are massively better than those Promax Rs.

Mills looks super painful :eek: Thankfully it's not in the plan I'm following (http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/plans/152-short-power-build-mid-volume) but I'm sure some of those other sessions will be similarly hellish.

Might have a go at Mills.

what made you decide on the short power build program?

I am still persisting with the Sweet spot workouts although I cant say I am religious in sticking to it but it is helping. That program you are doing looks like it has some long sessions. I did 90 minutes last night and that was long enough for me. I notice that there are some 150 minute sessions in your plan - gulp!!!

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/1779332-Eclipse

since fitting the dedicate turbo tyre I reckon it has increased the resistance a bit from the previous setting and where my FTP test was based. So I think i am probably having to stress the body a bit more than I would. For the perceived effort level I would expect the speed to be higher than it is showing but that's detail and the main thing is that its working even with only a couple of sessions a week. So much more focused that I have been up to now where I just would go outside and ride.
 
To those who TT or Tri, are pointy hats worth it?

Yep. The difference would be significantly more than 15seconds over 56 miles. Probably nearer 5-7minutes.

You dont need a "perfect" position to get a benefit from it. You do need to remember it's a long extension on the back of your head and when you're looking down at your bars, it's sticking in the air like a sail. All you need to do is remember to keep your head up.
 
Yep. The difference would be significantly more than 15seconds over 56 miles. Probably nearer 5-7minutes.

You dont need a "perfect" position to get a benefit from it. You do need to remember it's a long extension on the back of your head and when you're looking down at your bars, it's sticking in the air like a sail. All you need to do is remember to keep your head up.

I need to get someone to check but I'm fairly sure I don't do a Froome-style stem stare. Maybe the occasional garmin glance.:p

Helmets such as the Bambino seem to cater for people who can't keep the head up all the time.
 
Might have a go at Mills.

what made you decide on the short power build program?

I am still persisting with the Sweet spot workouts although I cant say I am religious in sticking to it but it is helping. That program you are doing looks like it has some long sessions. I did 90 minutes last night and that was long enough for me. I notice that there are some 150 minute sessions in your plan - gulp!!!

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/1779332-Eclipse

since fitting the dedicate turbo tyre I reckon it has increased the resistance a bit from the previous setting and where my FTP test was based. So I think i am probably having to stress the body a bit more than I would. For the perceived effort level I would expect the speed to be higher than it is showing but that's detail and the main thing is that its working even with only a couple of sessions a week. So much more focused that I have been up to now where I just would go outside and ride.

To be honest I'm not following it absolutely religiously. I found the two hour endurance session in the first week unbearably boring so I stopped it an hour through. I also generally go for one or two 50-65 miles at the weekend so I don't feel too bad dropping the more endurance-focussed turbo sessions in lieu of those. I'm doing all of the weekday sessions though - but based on my schedule and my desire to burn enough kcal to fit in with my diet I'm sometimes doing the sessions earlier than the days it suggests.

If I have any spare days where I'm not down to do anything on the plan but still want to turbo train I tend to focus on sweet-spot sessions to continue building my base.

What made me decide on the short power build program was that I feel my ability to sprint is basically non-existent. I also really really hate the higher power interval work so it seemed like I should focus on that. In the few months before I started following this plan I'd mostly done sweet-spot work and some random Sufferfest videos also.

edit: If I remember correctly we're at similar FTPs? You're about 15 or so higher? I'd like to get mine up to 350 by the end of the year but that might be a bit hopeful...

edit2: Ah, no, that was someone else. Berger maybe?
 
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To those who TT or Tri, are pointy hats worth it?

I have a Giro Air Attack Shield which will probably do an acceptable job. Spending almost £100-200 on a helmet just to shave like 15 seconds off a 56 mile TT seems a bit much to me. Also, it seems like you can overheat easily in them or have to maintain a perfect position to get the most benefit.

Pointy helmets are better than the curvy ones as they have more flexibility in terms of not maintaining position, although I got mine for £60.... I've never overheated in mine.
 
Yep. The difference would be significantly more than 15seconds over 56 miles. Probably nearer 5-7minutes.
5-7 minutes over 56 miles?
Specialized wind tunnel testing shows a 60 second gain over 25 miles, comparing a standard helmet to a full TT helmet, so more like 2 minutes over 50 miles. *

Interestingly the Spesh Evade Hemlet was pretty close to the TT helmet.

video here


* at pro race speed.
 
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Happy Birthday Von!

Yeah, I currently have a CycleOps Jet Fluid Pro. It's a really nice turbo. I love it really. But I wanted to be able to set the power, and just get on with the workout. I know it sounds lame, but I find focusing on the power very tiresome (I run TrainerRoad in virtual power mode) so keeping the set gear and cadence to maintain the power becomes draining. I know I'd ride like that on the road, but on the turbo I want to turn off and and focus on grinding out the watts. If that makes sense.

Know exactly where you're coming from, my ventures into Turbo'ing started from Sufferfests, went to GCN/YouTube and then to TR... I was fully expecting TR to be Sufferfest but with live activity data. But no. It's more of the same (holding an effort, at least with live feedback) with no video so you have to watch something... Although to be honest I've not sat there with just TR and nothing else, anyone else tried that for more than 1 session? At the very least I'd need some fast paced music but would then run the risk of pedalling to the beat and not the power on screen...

I'm planning to move to shorts and such towards the end of this week. I'm *really* hoping that the move towards almost double-digit temperatures means I can get away with it without too much pain. I've done a few rides in fingerless gloves recently too so that's something else I want to move to for all rides.

I'm still wearing thermals, usually with a second layer (bibs) over my legs. Weekend rides I've ventured to non-thermal tights with an extra layer of shorts but admittedly that was weekend before last when the windchill was brutal. Still in winter gloves for 80% of the riding and probably 90% of my commuting, full fingered for the remaining and not brave enough for fingerless until the temps are above 10 degrees, including the windchill! ;)

OK, still trying to find a route into Manchester that is both safe and not 29 million miles longer than I want for a commute.

I tried NCN 55 this evening. What a joke.

Was that the route you spotted from a bridge or something when looking previously? Sounds like their money ran out for surfacing/preparing it, fingers crossed they'll continue/finish it this financial year which will help you further.

I'm stuck figuring out what bike I would need, and which route is best for me to take, I can either do 4 miles of canal into Birmingham & 1 mile of road or 5 miles of dual carriage way and a bypass which includes 2 roundabouts which morons are attracted to.

Figuring the canal would be better, what bike do I want to be buying? The paths aren't exactly great, mostly dirt/half slabbed but should it rain then I'd probably not even attempt it, for all other weathers what can handle that type of terrain and be half decent on the roads?

Hey Reaper, welcome to our small corner of the forums! Glad to have you here :)

Couple of heads up - don't get persuaded into a Hybrid even though it may sound like a logical choice - they tend to be 'jack of all trades, master of none'.

You're probably best looking at a CX bike and more towards the CX side than the road side for the grip you'll need in the bad weather/bad road surfaces. You'll have the comfort, safety and confidence then when 'off-road' (which you wouldn't get with a road bike/road tyres). Yet the road miles will still be easier/faster/better than a suspension'd MTB bike. Might mean you go through grippy tyres more but the cost of tyres is nothing in comparison of getting the wrong bike - they're easy to change. Much like the dilemma of pedals/cleats - easy to change in future, but flat/drop bars is much more of an important 'starting choice' you need to get right. Go with drops, I'm glad I did (but I came from a flat bar hybrid).

ThaReaperGuy said:
Yardley to Birmingham New Street and then Derby Station to Sinfin Lane.

I'm actually near Solihull decommissioning a network today, shame I won't be back as this area (Earlswood/Maypole) looks quite nice for cycling!

Also, definitely get drop handlebars. I got a hybrid with flat bars for my first bike and regretted it. In fact, the previous thread was filled with people that got flat bar bikes and regretted it/bought drop bar after. Sounds like you're already open to the idea of trying them out and getting used to them so I guess my point here is more "do it - you won't regret it" :)

I think that sums it up - drop bars can be scary, but you don't have to ride in the 'drops' - even now I'm confident in them 80-90% of my riding is on the 'hoods' as for commuting/steering they're just so much easier. Drops are for perfect road, perfect conditions! ;)

Does anyone correct the elevation from Garmin to Strava or just leave it?

I've not noticed any issue but I have nothing to compare it to, but I am using an 810.

Yesterdays ride :p

Stealing one from grudas:

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To be honest I'm not following it absolutely religiously.

At the risk of answering my own question here but... How important is it to stick to a plan? I find it hard to do more than 1 evening sessionson the turbo after work - I just don't have an extra hour (or more) to spare as I work 7:30-5:30 and don't spend enough time with my Mrs enough as it is... The low-volume plans are usually 2x1 hour weekly sessions with 2+ hours on the weekend. If I were to do that I'd struggling commuting (which I try to do 4+ days a week) which kinda defeats the idea of training - I'm training to be a better cyclist, commute 100% of the time and enjoy riding, not to race!

My evenings usually consist of: 6pm, home greet dog & girlfriend; 6:30-7:30, cook and eat dinner; 7:30-9, usual chores/washing up/some gaming if I can; 9, TV/girlfriend/dog time 10:30/11pm bed for 6am alarm. I can probably sacrifice much of my chore/gaming time but more than 2x 1 hour sessions a week and everything else would suffer (and I'd be cramming everything else into 2 evenings as go shopping 1 evening already. And who wants to do much on a Friday night!) ;)

So I'm left with my weekends - I do have lots of time but I'd rather be out on the road in the nice weather than at home on the turbo... Different story in winter time, but that's gone now... :rolleyes: D

I'm guessing I should pick and choose the sessions I do rather than follow a plan? My commutes are more and more an endurance exercise now I'm doing other riding than the race I used to treat them as (and now I'm commuting more). I know I struggle with hills but my intervals/sprinting is good as I stop-start a lot commuting and I've always sprinted well (big thighs, short legs).

* at pro speed race speed.

I think that's it though - wearing an aero helmet will probably influence normal non-pro riders to adopt a more aero position than if they weren't wearing it, therefore making the gains higher?
 
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edit: If I remember correctly we're at similar FTPs? You're about 15 or so higher? I'd like to get mine up to 350 by the end of the year but that might be a bit hopeful...

edit2: Ah, no, that was someone else. Berger maybe?

No way am I outputting that sort of power! My initial FTP test came up with that sort of figure but I had the resistance set too low. A couple more turns of the turbo handle soon sorted that and I ended up doing a manual adjustment to 245W which I think is about right. I know its all relative when using "virtual power" but I like to have some credibility in what I do. At c74kg 350W would have me in CAT 1!!!
 
I think that's it though - wearing an aero helmet will probably influence normal non-pro riders to adopt a more aero position than if they weren't wearing it, therefore making the gains higher?
I think if you're riding in a TT event then you already understand aero positions.
I would be adopting an aero riding position first, before even looking at aero bikes.
 
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Also remember that Sir Bradders shaving is making a saving of 5% of his FTP by wearing a pointy hat whereas most mortals will be saving double that as a percentage. Aero savings as a % are greater at lower power.
 
No way am I outputting that sort of power! My initial FTP test came up with that sort of figure but I had the resistance set too low. A couple more turns of the turbo handle soon sorted that and I ended up doing a manual adjustment to 245W which I think is about right. I know its all relative when using "virtual power" but I like to have some credibility in what I do. At c74kg 350W would have me in CAT 1!!!

Tbh, i don't think there's any credible way to compare FTP in TR. Too many variables.

No offence FrenchTart, but having seen your rides on strava compared to what Berger does, you're not even in the same ball park - he's racing a fair bit throughout the year and you pretty much just commute and do some leisure riding on weekends. That's night and day in terms of abilities. I'd consider myself ok as leisure riders go, but even the 4th cat guys kick my a$$ on bunch rides most of the time.

The only way to really find out where you are is to get out with some fast bunch rides, with guys that race regular. It was a real eye opener for me as to quite how far off i was compared to where i thought i was. And i think TR definitely lets you kid yourself you're comparable to others when the reality is often very different.

Don't get me wrong, I find TR a great tool for tracking my own progress. I've followed the two sweetspot base phases and just finished them this week and seen a good level of progress for me. But i only judge where i am compared to others i ride with when i'm riding with them and they're really going for it. Sadly, that generally doesn't end well. :D :(

EDIT: ps Am i the only one that thinks all this multi quoting is the work of the devil? Thread just becomes a total mess of 3 ft long posts.
 
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EDIT: ps Am i the only one that thinks all this multi quoting is the work of the devil? Thread just becomes a total mess of 3 ft long posts.

Nope. I am totally with you. I like our friendly little community here - much better than BR but keeping track of the conversation is a nightmare. If ever there was a case for a Cycling sub forum! I notice that there was a bit of discussion with a Mod earlier in this new thread. 4-5 separate threads would probably even do just to make it manageable
 
Nope. I am totally with you. I like our friendly little community here - much better than BR but keeping track of the conversation is a nightmare. If ever there was a case for a Cycling sub forum! I notice that there was a bit of discussion with a Mod earlier in this new thread. 4-5 separate threads would probably even do just to make it manageable

Sub forum would be excellent. You get all the good advice of BR on here without all the numpties!
 
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