Road Cycling

I'm in the market for some aero wheels to use along side my Ksyrium elites. I'm 88kg so need something that won't crumble.
Don't recognise your name or know your riding style/type so I would first question why you're looking for aero wheels? They're an expensive mistake if you're not riding mostly flat terrain and you really need to be riding quickly (20mph+) to really benefit...! :)
I went swimming this morning
Talking of imuk & swimming. You've changed. :eek:
Presume everyone just gets used to being in the saddle? Is it just a case of spending more time in it?
It's all about conditioning, your muscles will get used to the efforts required (& the recovery!) building strength and power. You did quite a distance for a 'first ride' but the fact your felt as if you could continue, did that distance and didn't come here talking about numb toes I wouldn't change too much!

Your 'core' getting stronger will help relieve some of the tension in your arms/shoulders (& forearms) as you'll gradually stop needing to support so much of your upper body on them. Core strength is one thing many of us suffer from and many cyclists benefit from pilates/yoga type exercises when off the bike.

Make any adjustments very minor, 'tweaking' your positioning to eliminate any stresses/pains which you can't seem to shake off & keep riding! Welcome to the club! :D
I should have suspected something was up - within half a mile of starting my Garmin switched itself off. I switched it back on and resumed recording the same activity.
Exactly the symptoms I had a few months back when my 810 ate mine. Tried several hours to repair/rebuild the data and drew a complete blank. Filefittools CSV hinted towards 'invalid time data' and when I parsed the file it was totally b0rked after the first 1/2 mile (thought I could maybe replace garbaged time but no joy, the rest of the data seemed to also be screwed).
 
Don't recognise your name or know your riding style/type so I would first question why you're looking for aero wheels? They're an expensive mistake if you're not riding mostly flat terrain and you really need to be riding quickly (20mph+) to really benefit...! :)

there are still plenty of benefits at lower speeds - the less power you have, the more you benefit from saving it. The extra weight only really kicks in on steeper slopes, and even then the aerogains on the descent balance it out or overcome it

a decent 30-40mm is probably the way to go for most riders on a road bike, big gains over a box section. Returns diminish as you go deeper.
 
there are still plenty of benefits at lower speeds - the less power you have, the more you benefit from saving it. The extra weight only really kicks in on steeper slopes, and even then the aerogains on the descent balance it out or overcome it

a decent 30-40mm is probably the way to go for most riders on a road bike, big gains over a box section. Returns diminish as you go deeper.

Yeah but a generic new rider (sorry if you're not emetic! :) ) won't be riding large stretches of flat fast roads. A £700+ deep section is an expensive option for someone riding at 15mph doing sub 50 miles a week on a couple of rides. Especially if they're coming from a heavy (2kg+) factory box section. If there are any hills involved & traffic start/stops then I think a lighter (1.5kg) & cheaper (£300) box section is going to benefit them much more!
 
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Yeah but a generic new rider (sorry if you're not emetic! :) ) won't be riding large stretches of flat fast roads. A £700+ deep section is an expensive option for someone riding at 15mph doing sub 50 miles a week on a couple of rides. Especially if they're coming from a heavy (2kg+) factory box section. If there are any hills involved & traffic start/stops then I think a lighter (1.5kg) & cheaper (£300) box section is going to benefit them much more!

his current wheels are ksyrium elites, a £450 wheelset. It's safe to assume that even if he isnt a great rider, he does have plenty of money to spend on bike stuff
 
Yeah but a generic new rider (sorry if you're not emetic! :) ) won't be riding large stretches of flat fast roads. A £700+ deep section is an expensive option for someone riding at 15mph doing sub 50 miles a week on a couple of rides. Especially if they're coming from a heavy (2kg+) factory box section. If there are any hills involved & traffic start/stops then I think a lighter (1.5kg) & cheaper (£300) box section is going to benefit them much more!

There's pretty much no scenarios outside of hill climb time trials and extreme winds where a lightweight wheelset will trump an aero one, regardless of the rider speed. This has been demonstrated no end of times.
 
There's pretty much no scenarios outside of hill climb time trials and extreme winds where a lightweight wheelset will trump an aero one, regardless of the rider speed. This has been demonstrated no end of times.

look at OMS ride I think the other week, had over 100ft of climbing per mile iirc and he was on a TT bike and compared the two. Unless you're doing proper hill climbs, and even in the uk on most hills it isn't steep enough for long enough to not warrant aero.
 
I had some wobbly fun the first time I tried deep sections on a Giant Propel demo bike... descending at 30mph. Tree line broke and crosswind came in.. so glad I didn't crash the £3500 demo bike! Still.. I think my next wheelset will be more aero though I'm fairly happy with Zondas at the moment.
 
Ok, so one of my cycling objectives for the year is "Get a power meter and figure out what the hell to do with it." Well, I've managed to pick up a Garmin Vector S on eBay for £339 and I've successfully installed it, so hurrah there. It took a while to get it calibrated, but apparently that's a problem with the Garmin 500 I'm using, which doesn't like calibrating while its expecting any other ant+ devices. It seems to work, so that's part one of my goal done. Next job: figure out what the hell to do with it. I'll probably try to get out for a quick ride with it after work to get a rough idea of my abysmal numbers, and then I'll do a proper ftp test when I can bear to do it!

As others have said just ride with it for a bit :)

I used TrainerRoad load last year, albeit with Virtual Power though got my first PM last week.

I understand the principles of progressive overload and periodised training (from the weights room/powerlifting) and these do transfer to the cycling discipline.

After a while if you decide you really want to focus on improve power and embark on a structured training program (rather than wildly just trying different things) then I'd say grab yourself a decent turbo, the biggest fan you can find and sign up to TrainerRoad (£75 for the year / £6.25pm or $10pm).
 
look at OMS ride I think the other week, had over 100ft of climbing per mile iirc and he was on a TT bike and compared the two. Unless you're doing proper hill climbs, and even in the uk on most hills it isn't steep enough for long enough to not warrant aero.

Yeah, road bike on a hilly course like that was about a 4 minute penalty comparing myself to riders at my level who went for road bike over TT. That was full aero as well including my very heavy disc wheel (1.8kg with tyre and cassette). :o

For general riding, a light, stiff set might feel nicer to ride though when speed isn't everything. Aero gains tend to be much less tangible than a wheel that feels a bit nippier to accelerate from a standstill.
 
his current wheels are ksyrium elites, a £450 wheelset. It's safe to assume that even if he isnt a great rider, he does have plenty of money to spend on bike stuff
Having 'plenty of money to spend on bike stuff' shouldn't really determine a purchasing suggestion should it?

My advice was slightly misguided - I don't know my Mavic's and as there are so many Ksyrium wheelset types out there, I assumed they were a 'factory' wheelset on a shop bought bike. I also don't know the rider.

I based my opinion on the differences I found between
  • my very factory Giant PR-2 wheelset (on a £900 Defy)
  • the budget (£120) Campagnolo Khamsin (2kg) I replaced them with first
  • finally the average (~£300) Shimano RS81's (1.6kg) I'm now using
Without knowing the user/rider and his riding type I gave generic advice to anyone new asking about aero wheelsets. Comparing him to the machine that is OMS is a little unfair! ;)
 
Really like the look of the first, if you get one please let me know what you think of it as I'd be tempted to try one! My Superstar combo is good (similar design to the second) but so much vibration comes up through the bars it utterly destroys the quality on rough roads as the VIRB tries to compensate/refocus. The stem mount may vibrate less and help to smooth things out.

I've ordered one. Based on my experiences with the other I'm not expecting much but will let you know how it is. To be honest not sure if it would fit a virb... maybe just about enough room to squeeze it underneath.
 
Is the virb pretty much the go to choice for on bike camera-ing? Any alternatives? It's awfully expensive is all...

I use the first gen one... currently £75 on SportPursuit again which is where I got mine (can provide referral ;))

I'm not sure if it's the go to one but it's fairly good for the price in my mind. Battery life is pretty good 2h30m-3 hours per battery (yes replaceable!) in 720p60. I find 1080p30 too slow a framerate when you slow a video down. Video quality isn't up there with GoPro but if you factor in price it's not bad at all. It's also a little bulky compared to a GoPro.

Better review than mine here: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/12/garmin-depth-review.html

Elite isn't really worth it if you already have a bike computer.
 
I only really want it as insurance in the event of an accident. I'm looking at a fly6 for the rear and a virb for the front. I have a garmin 500 which is old but which generally does the job, so maybe the plain old virb is a decent enough bet.
 
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Back to my Sportive on Sunday - Kington Lions (local fundraising charity) 'Classic' route. I had originally put my name down for the shorter route (40 miles) with a friend who had to drop out due to work. I jumped into the 70 miler with a couple of guys from the club who were riding. Knew I was out of my depth a little after my last outing with them!

As I'm staying near to the start I rode there in the morning (leaving 'home' at 8), although the guys were running a little late so I had some time to chat to a few others and partake in some of the refreshments supplied (couple of cups of coffee & bacon sandwich, didn't fancy a burger that early!). Weather was clear and the clouds looked to be lifting. The ride started from the car park of a fostering home that the ride was partly in aid of. Organisation was great and staff were very helpful, setting riders off (after the 8.30 start) in groups, the majority of which were under 10. It helped that riders arrived in dribs and drabs rather than the massed starts I've seen before!

Once ready to leave time was nearing 10am so we were probably some of the last to set off on the long route. Weather was clear but overcast, the others had no guards/overshoes fitted I removed mine and left them (big mistake)! :rolleyes: :D

Fairly speedy ride out along ok roads to the first stop in Painscastle, there were a couple of brief rainshowers so we did stop at the top of 1 climb to don rain jackets. I was taking things fairly easily on the climbs as I had an idea of what was to come so it was a welcome respite... The descent into Erwood (3 switchbacks) was good fun but with wet roads and some bits of gravel was taken carefully.

We crossed the river Wye (and a main road) before beginning the first big climb of the day 'Pendre' (a CAT3 - 3.5 miles @ 5% avg, first 0.5 @ 10% avg). One of our guys struggled on the first section, after it had leveled off slightly I pulled over to wait for him and munched my first Cliff bar (needed to text the other half to confirm I was doing the 70 miler). A couple of other riders passed and said he didn't look great so I started to turn around to head back for him, as I did so he appeared. He'd gone hard into the red and hit the wall - he'd done it a few weekends earlier for the first time and you could tell it'd scared him. Stopped with him for 5 minutes and then we headed off easily, I held back so there was no pressure on him - we could see there was lots of the climb left! We caught up with the others waiting a little higher up and finished the top of the climb together, along with the descent to a road junction. According to Strava we'd climbed 1000ft in 3.5 miles!
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(I'm looking in pain on the left!)
Turning left onto a road we joined the middle of another long climb, I recognised it and knew we were on the Builth to Brecon road. Preedy again hit the wall and had to stop, Kevin stopped with him and I paced myself up it. There were a couple of fun descents and an open section over some cattle grids and past the first of the military firing ranges before we descended towards Upper Chapel. Some idiot in a people carrier overtook me (towards a blind bend) on the first descent so I had fun sitting in his wingmirror shaking my head on the second one (@40+mph!) :rolleyes:

After we turned back north on the B4519 from the main-ish road the climbs came thick and fast, so did the rain! The light bits of drizzle we had seen for the previous 2 hours settled into a steady light rain. With the open stretches (past more military ranges, think these are the 'Mynydd Epynt' on the north edge of SENTA) on these exposed sections the sidewinds were crazy, every one of us having scetchy moments and wheel slips/slides. We were utterly soaked at this point, the mistly light rain and strong winds doing their worst even though the roads were clear and not much standing water around. We stopped at the top, although unable to enjoy the views due to the mist and rain, we really enjoyed the descent, at one part there was a brief break in the clouds, a dip in the winds and a dry stretch of road! At the bottom of the descent we stopped in Garth for the 2nd food stop. A warm drink was welcome but while we were there some heavy rain descended on the area.

We waited for the worst of the rain to pass before setting off, my feet hadn't really got wet until then as the standing water did it's thing. The next 45 minutes were pretty grim for me as in the back of my mind I semi-knew where I was at the food stop. I had contemplated just taking the main road back to Builth to miss out the loop around Llamgammarch which I thought was pretty pointless (apart from increasing the mileage!). Once we hit Builth I knew the route back to Aberedw so pushed the guys on, once through Aberedw we were again onto back roads barely traveled and began climbing...

As the road surfaces got worse, so did the rain! Thankfully as we were climbing alongside a stream up a secluded valley the winds had died down. After a junction (I got wrong!) there was a brutal climb & after struggling to get any rythm I had to walk the worst of it. After a brief walk I was aware that it was taxing my quads more than riding would, I attempted twice to get going and failed miserably to clip in. As the gradient eased off I remounted over a cattle grid, the gradient was steady and higher up as we passed through some trees Kevin had to stop due to mud/rubbish in his Propel's rear caliper & Preedy held back with him. They were both starting to cramp up, Dean merrily climbed away from us as I took it easy spinning away. I realised the others had stopped so I did too munching my second Cliff bar under the shelter of a tree, I could see Dean climbing past the treeline across the side of the hill infront of me (see where the van is going) while rainwater ran down the roads towards me. The climb here was steady across some exposed moorland, I continued on and after reaching the summit came across Dean coming back to find us. At that point the wind/rain was rapidly cooling me down so I headed back with him for a short stretch before we regrouped for the descent. The descent into Paincastle was fun but the roads were quite narrow and I descended carefully on the front. At Painscastle we stopped at the food stop (hot drinks!) but the guys there had packed away the kettle, we pushed on rather than waiting for them to unpack it, thinking we were 'only' 10 miles from the finish.

These last few miles were pretty grim, the route took us along some pretty poor back roads with lots of loose gravel, potholes, broken road surfaces and standing water. There was around half a mile section surrounded by trees I wouldn't have even taken my car down! We had no option but to proceed carefully, there were a couple of climbs and one short/sharp/steep one had 3 of us stopping/walking/cramping up. The last stretch of better road (from Michaelchurch) had some slight descents and much better surfaces, felt really good to get some speed up and to roll back into Kington together!

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My food strategy worked well - tried to eat something every 20 mins. Usually between a third or half of a 'breakfast'/museli type bar.

In the morning (pre-ride) I ate 2 pieces of toast with peanut butter, a bowl of museli and had an americano (w 1 sugar). 30 min low intensity ride to the start. While waiting for the others I had another (milky) coffee (w 1 sugar) and a bacon roll, in around an hour. The next ~5 hours riding I ate: 3 museli/granola/flapjack (kellogs/hobnob) kinda bars, 2 bananas, 2 Cliff museli bars, 1 kipling apple pie, 2 milky coffees (w 1 sugar) and 2 High5 gels (in the last 30 miles). I drank a cup of squash (at 1 stop) and had 3 tabbed drinks while riding throughout the day.
 
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Is the virb pretty much the go to choice for on bike camera-ing? Any alternatives? It's awfully expensive is all...

I only really want it as insurance in the event of an accident. I'm looking at a fly6 for the rear and a virb for the front. I have a garmin 500 which is old but which generally does the job, so maybe the plain old virb is a decent enough bet.

SJCAM 4000 or 5000 (the recommended GoPro alternative) will be what I pick up when I eventually get around to it. £50 or so for the 4000 which is almost throwaway cheap in the event of any accidents or falls. Battery life would probably be the limiting factor on most action cams as I don't think many will do more than around 2 hours or so? The GoPro does but again ££.
 
The main disadvantages with the SJCAMs are that you'll need a waterproof case too and the shape of them kind of sucks (not so aero yo).

Once you factor in the case they're not drastically cheaper than the Virb.
 
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