Rocket lake leaks

[philo-sofa]

I've been looking for around 4 months if to upgrade currently have 6700k , the thing that put me off 10900k or 10th gen intel is no gen 4 its more so when direct storage is out will we see difference ? I plan to keep system for 3-5 years and rocket lake doesnt look that great either still 14nm if the price was really good I could be tempted but I doubt it with the leaks and its gonna be replaced in few months

Rocket Lake should be pretty good, and I believe if you buy a z590 now, once you have a rocket lake core inside you’ll have at least the direct CPU PCIe lanes at gen 4.

I’m pretty happy with my 5800X though, the only thing that’d stop me in your situation is whether I can hold out for AM5.

 

[shamus21]

Rocket Lake should be pretty good, and I believe if you buy a z590 now, once you have a rocket lake core inside you’ll have at least the direct CPU PCIe lanes at gen 4.

I’m pretty happy with my 5800X though, the only thing that’d stop me in your situation is whether I can hold out for AM5.

I would be surprised if they get many customers for motherboards and Cpu`s when there are no graphic cards to put into them.

 

[Game]

I would be surprised if they get many customers for motherboards and Cpu`s when there are no graphic cards to put into them.

It wouldnt suprise me if they sell out I know there GPU situation will hurt

but there are a ton off people like me on i5-6600 era pcs with decent cards thats have started to throttle in mass multiplayer games

solo wise it can handle nearly everything still at 1080 high to ultra

 

[Mesai]

I would be surprised if they get many customers for motherboards and Cpu`s when there are no graphic cards to put into them.

I'd imagine a large percentage of people already went AMD as well.

 

[FoxEye]

I hesitate to reply to this but find myself doing so anyway, must reflect poorly on me.
Your words prove that my assessment was correct. Your use of language demonstrate that you're emotionally attached to all of this, which means that you can't debate or discuss anything rationally, because you have inherent bias. Shame.

This forum is very heavily biased in favour of AMD. There is a lot of raw hatred for Intel, and you don't have to look hard to find it.

Personally I hope Intel give AMD a run for their money sooner rather than later. Lack of competition is never good, no matter who is out in front.

AMD aren't the "good guys," and it's sad that they get a free pass just for not being Intel. Seriously, the Intel hatred here is dialled up to 11.

 

[Aretak]

This forum is very heavily biased in favour of AMD. There is a lot of raw hatred for Intel, and you don't have to look hard to find it.

Personally I hope Intel give AMD a run for their money sooner rather than later. Lack of competition is never good, no matter who is out in front.

AMD aren't the "good guys," and it's sad that they get a free pass just for not being Intel. Seriously, the Intel hatred here is dialled up to 11.

Intel deserve every bit of the hatred people have for them. Their anti-competitive, and often outright illegal, business practices destroyed the CPU market for a decade. A lot of peoople are far too quick to forget just how badly they ****ed everybody over and for how long. It's almost unbelievable where things are now compared to just four years ago pre-Ryzen, when Intel were busy launching yet another quad-core flagship part.

AMD might not be the "good guys", but they're certainly a lesser evil than Intel. Of course competition is healthy, but that doesn't mean people have to act as cheerleaders for Intel, or not find their current incompetence hilarious. They hardly need a cheering section anyway, given they're still making money hand over fist and can do whatever they like. They're not going out of business any time soon, so **** 'em. Do something with all that money and create a better product.

 

[FoxEye]

Intel deserve every bit of the hatred people have for them. Their anti-competitive, and often outright illegal, business practices destroyed the CPU market for a decade. A lot of peoople are far too quick to forget just how badly they ****ed everybody over and for how long. It's almost unbelievable where things are now compared to just four years ago pre-Ryzen, when Intel were busy launching yet another quad-core flagship part.

AMD might not be the "good guys", but they're certainly a lesser evil than Intel. Of course competition is healthy, but that doesn't mean people have to act as cheerleaders for Intel, or not find their current incompetence hilarious. They hardly need a cheering section anyway, given they're still making money hand over fist and can do whatever they like. They're not going out of business any time soon, so **** 'em. Do something with all that money and create a better product.

I won't be cheerleading for either company. But giving AMD a free pass because they aren't Intel, doesn't really help matters either.

My view is that both companies are only going to do what makes them the most profit. I'm sure AMD would be just as shady if they were in a position to do so. Corporate greed and shady practices weren't invented by Intel, and Intel won't be the last company to be caught doing something they shouldn't.

I'm not looking to buy Intel either. But I am hoping that they push AMD hard. For the sake of prices - and - for the sake of the innovation/progress you talk of.

If AMD gets a comfortable lead year-on-year, you can see them getting complacent too. It's just human nature.

e: And perhaps complacency isn't the only fear, either. "Drip-feeding" is another fear.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

Healthy competition is great, of course.

But it's nice when the little guy wins a few rounds after the behemoth dominated for so long.

 

[pc-guy]

I won't be cheerleading for either company. But giving AMD a free pass because they aren't Intel, doesn't really help matters either.

My view is that both companies are only going to do what makes them the most profit. I'm sure AMD would be just as shady if they were in a position to do so. Corporate greed and shady practices weren't invented by Intel, and Intel won't be the last company to be caught doing something they shouldn't.

I'm not looking to buy Intel either. But I am hoping that they push AMD hard. For the sake of prices - and - for the sake of the innovation/progress you talk of.

If AMD gets a comfortable lead year-on-year, you can see them getting complacent too. It's just human nature.

e: And perhaps complacency isn't the only fear, either. "Drip-feeding" is another fear.

Who is giving who free pass exactly???

what is going on here...are we Fox News all of sudden? Making up stories billy willy now?

people are buying AMD platform because it is outright the best product atm.

The few intel fan boy or so called “I am not a fan boy but I will slate anything anyone say about Intel regardless and pretend I have no vested emotion and calling everyone else emotional” keyboard warriors, just can’t see past their own blind ignorance.

rocket lake boast 8c and zen3 stacks 16c. If you are a power user, there is nothing to consider. If you are in a market for 8c CPU right at the minute, AMD is still a clear winner. The jury is still out on Rocket Lake. Everyone is saying XYZ about it is superior or inferior is just speculating which is why this tread is titled “leaks”.

anyone saying intel is superior or amd zen3 will reign supreme like it is set in stone is either mad or delusional.

 

[FoxEye]

Who is giving who free pass exactly???

what is going on here...are we Fox News all of sudden? Making up stories billy willy now?

Putting up prices so the 6 core costs what the 8 core used to, discontinuing ALL the budget SKUs, fake RRPs on their GPUs, to name just three things they've done recently

Plenty people here are giving them a free pass and refusing to criticise.

 

[pc-guy]

Putting up prices so the 6 core costs what the 8 core used to, discontinuing ALL the budget SKUs, fake RRPs on their GPUs, to name just three things they've done recently

Plenty people here are giving them a free pass and refusing to criticise.

Free market mate. If you want cheap CPU go chinese. They are making X86 chips that is dirt cheap.

AMD was making inferior chips thus undercutting intel. Now they are making better chips than intel so they are selling them at a premium over intel.

isn’t that clear to see?

in terms performance per £. The new zen3 is still better proposition than zen 2 albeit need to take the MSRP into consideration rather than the current gouging pricing by retailers.

intel on the other hand has increased prices at multifolds with zero performance increases over more than half a decade.

plus why do anyone buy stuff because the company is your mate?

people flock to Apple products not because Apple is NICE, ok a lot of brand loyalty there, but it is because people like the design. Anyway if a product is good and gives value then that’s why people will buy it. I didn’t bother to upgrade my system for nearly 8 yrs because intel stagnated and I can’t see the point of spending £400 on a CPU has the same core count as my 4770k and offers marginal performance increases that I probably won’t notice in my daily life. But if AMD now is able to offer me 50-60% performance boost gen on gen, right on, I will upgrade more often.

 

[FoxEye]

in terms performance per £. The new zen3 is still better proposition than zen 2 albeit need to take the MSRP into consideration rather than the current gouging pricing by retailers.

Take the 3600X -> 5600X.

+20% perf for +20% MSRP. How is that better value?

e: Also since their cheapest chip is now £300, does that mean they're "too premium" to have £200 chips these days?

 

[pc-guy]

Take the 3600X -> 5600X.

+20% perf for +20% MSRP. How is that better value?

e: Also since their cheapest chip is now £300, does that mean they're "too premium" to have £200 chips these days?

I am pretty sure 5600x is more than 20% over 3600x. IPC lift is 19% alone then there is the higher boost and higher all core clock over 3600x

anyway by your own metric it is no worse. So what is your point? You said zen3 is less value than zen2. But you said it yourself it is the same value to performance.

So AMD hasn’t brought out a SKU in the £200 bracket. How do you they won’t? In any event, the 3600x or 3600 are still there to buy, if you want cheap then the zen2 are still there. Hell you can even get zen+ chips atm. AMD hasn’t done what intel does which is to make their last gen products EOL whenever they release new chips so force people to buy new chips at a lifted premium.

 

[FoxEye]

anyway by your own metric it is no worse. So what is your point? You said zen3 is less value than zen2. But you said it yourself it is the same value to performance.

I said they'd priced the new 6-core like the old 8-core, is what I said. I said they'd put up prices across all SKUs. I said they'd discontinued all the budget SKUs.

what is going on here...are we Fox News all of sudden? Making up stories billy willy now?

Pot, kettle.

The few intel fan boy or so called “I am not a fan boy but I will slate anything anyone say about Intel regardless and pretend I have no vested emotion and calling everyone else emotional” keyboard warriors, just can’t see past their own blind ignorance.

There is so much irony in that sentence.

 

[pc-guy]

I said they'd priced the new 6-core like the old 8-core, is what I said. I said they'd put up prices across all SKUs. I said they'd discontinued all the budget SKUs.

Pot, kettle.

Discontinued all budget SKU? Please clarify...what have they discontinued?

In order to discontinue something, one has to start it in the first place. So I am failing to see how AMD has been called “discontinued” a product line that wasn’t in existence is the first place.

How do you know they haven’t got a sub £200 line up for the zen3. Anyway I can understand why they aren’t bringing out a product line for budget friendly builds as they are selling whatever they can churn out as fast as they can make them. So very little market pressure for them to lose their margins.

this is why I am not swapping out my 3900x for zen3 any time soon. I want the 5900x but I am not paying over the odds for it. And if I can wait for it to become plenty to take advantage of discount down the line why not. I will change it over when I deem the price is right for the upgrade path. No one is shove it down your throat. Plus zen2 are still readily available to buy.

but accusing them of playing funny games even before they are doing it...this is a bit far.

So going back to your pots and kettles, do you work for Rupert and are used to just make up stuff for kicks?

 

[FoxEye]

Discontinued all budget SKU? Please clarify...what have they discontinued?

In order to discontinue something, one has to start it in the first place. So I am failing to see how AMD has been called “discontinued” a product line that wasn’t in existence is the first place.

How do you know they haven’t got a sub £200 line up for the zen3. Anyway I can understand why they aren’t bringing out a product line for budget friendly builds as they are selling whatever they can churn out as fast as they can make them. So very little market pressure for them to lose their margins.

this is why I am not swapping out my 3900x for zen3 any time soon. I will change it over when I deem the price is right for the upgrade path. No one is shove it down your throat. Plus zen2 are still readily available to buy.

but accusing them of playing funny games even before they are doing it...this is a bit far m.

They've already categorically told several places they have no plans for more Zen3 SKUs.

They have not announced any. The non-X CPUs that we know of are OEM only.

The SKUs they have discontinued this gen include: *600 non-X. *700X. Funnily enough, these outsold all their other CPUs *combined* last gen. Take a look at the charts that are readily available. People *loved* these SKUs at their Zen2 price points. AMD took them away and now it's £300+ for 6 core; £400+ for 8 core. No other AMD options unless you pick up Zen1-2.

I hope you enjoy Zen4 with further price hikes (if Intel don't catch up).

 

[pc-guy]

They've already categorically told several places they have no plans for more Zen3 SKUs.

They have not announced any. The non-X CPUs that we know of are OEM only.

The SKUs they have discontinued this gen include: *600 non-X. *700X. Funnily enough, these outsold all their other CPUs *combined* last gen. Take a look at the charts that are readily available. People *loved* these SKUs at their Zen2 price points. AMD took them away and now it's £300+ for 6 core; £400+ for 8 core. No other AMD options unless you pick up Zen1-2.

I hope you enjoy Zen4 with further price hikes (if Intel don't catch up).

Do you have source for your first line? I know what Lisa Su said but I didn’t read it as what you have typed there. So would be interested in understanding where that comes from.

Again, they never had those SKUs in the current zen3 line up. So calling them “discontinued” is highly disingenuous. You got in your mind that AMD must have 3600 equivalent for zen3 or whatever else. But that’s all in your head.

let’s see what happens when all these shortage of supplies and production issues are sorted and when everyone NEEDS to build a PC has done it and there is plenty of zen3 around before you go get your scythe start to chop heads and guts.

Under normal circumstances, CPU don’t ever sell above their MSRP this far down the launch. But this is not normal times.

if you think AMD CPUs are bad, you might have missed all the fun and games in the GPU and PSU market. Prices are going up 10% on weekly basis. And NVME drives are starting to go up in prices also for what reason, I don’t even know as there is no nand flash shortage or any known production or supply issues and certainly no one is using nvme drives to mine anything either.

 

[Game]

I think what most people forget is once you build a pc the large Majority of people dont change the motherboard or cpu for 4-5 years unlike gpus (so future cpu compatability is not really an argument for the majority its a first world elitist problem )

so what ever is the best £ for performance at the time is the best to go for and when rocket lakes comes out who ever has the best £140-200 gaming chip will get my money

be that Intel or AMD

owned 3 amd Rigs and 2 intel over the years and in general had a lot more problems with AMD nothing serious but annoying none the less

but Game wise intel just seem to have that little extra bit of less hassle a good example is warzone and all my clanmates moaning about AMD micro stutter problems on there own systems

 

[4K8KW10]

I think what most people forget is once you build a pc the large Majority of people dont change the motherboard or cpu for 4-5 years unlike gpus (so future cpu compatability is not really an argument for the majority its a first world elitist problem )

so what ever is the best £ for performance at the time is the best to go for and when rocket lakes comes out who ever has the best £140-200 gaming chip will get my money

be that Intel or AMD

owned 3 amd Rigs and 2 intel over the years and in general had a lot more problems with AMD nothing serious but annoying none the less

but Game wise intel just seem to have that little extra bit of less hassle a good example is warzone and all my clanmates moaning about AMD micro stutter problems on there own systems

Very cheap money means Ryzen 3 or something - if you don't want micro-stutter, get more cores - Ryzen 9 5900X or at least Ryzen 7 5800X.

 

[Game]

very cheap £ for performance = 10400f at the minute on par with a 3600 at 1080p but £50 cheaper

as for the 5900x or 5800x they would be complete overkill on 1080p they are something I can afford but it would be pointless

hell I might even decide to get a 5600x but I might as well wait a few more weeks and get all my options my system works and plays everything I currently have but is starting to struggle on large scale first person shooters due to the cpu being 5 years old

will have everything I need for my new build waiting for me to decide