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Rocket Lake Review: A waste of sand...

An in depth, honest review, I hope they get their due credit.

Intel doesn't need to be protected, they have around ~80% market share for CPUs.

Intel would probably be fine if they could stop selling Comet Lake CPUs, then charge Comet Lake prices for equivalent Rocket Lake models...

EDIT - not sure why the review doesn't recommend the 5800X, it's still the best 8 core consumer CPU you can buy right now (although at high cost) - and some games do use 8 cores...
 
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g67575 said:
An in depth, honest review, I hope they get their due credit.

Intel doesn't need to be protected, they have around ~80% market share for CPUs.

Intel would probably be fine if they could stop selling Comet Lake CPUs, then charge Comet Lake prices for equivalent Rocket Lake models...

EDIT - not sure why the review doesn't recommend the 5800X, it's still the best 8 core consumer CPU you can buy right now (although at high cost) - and some games do use 8 cores...
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For gaming he's recommending the 5600X arguing its just as fast as the 5800X / 5900X in games.

Often it is, but not always.
 
g67575 said:
An in depth, honest review, I hope they get their due credit.

Intel doesn't need to be protected, they have around ~80% market share for CPUs.

Intel would probably be fine if they could stop selling Comet Lake CPUs, then charge Comet Lake prices for equivalent Rocket Lake models...

EDIT - not sure why the review doesn't recommend the 5800X, it's still the best 8 core consumer CPU you can buy right now (although at high cost) - and some games do use 8 cores...
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Tbh looking at that the best best consumer 8 core CPU is the 10700K/KF unless you want that few % here and there. They trade blows with the 5800x and for what is £150 less that is huge chunk.
 
humbug said:
For gaming he's recommending the 5600X arguing its just as fast as the 5800X / 5900X in games.

Often it is, but not always.
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I think he is saying that because the percentage performance to cost difference is big so the 2% to 5% difference for the extra £100 is not worth it. However as my post above that really should mean the 10700K/KF is the recommendation even with it being a generation older. It is cheaper yet again that the 5600x and generally came out on top of the AMD CPU in tests.
 
Curlyriff said:
I think he is saying that because the percentage performance to cost difference is big so the 2% to 5% difference for the extra £100 is not worth it. However as my post above that really should mean the 10700K/KF is the recommendation even with it being a generation older. It is cheaper yet again that the 5600x and generally came out on top of the AMD CPU in tests.
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I agree the 10700KF is an excellent gaming CPU and at its current pricing (cheaper than the 5600X) its the one to get.
 
silvagti said:
https://www.windowscentral.com/intel-will-build-chips-other-companies

Looks like Intel is planning on diversifying away from just designing and fabricating inhouse chips. Can hardly blame them given the seemingly industry wide moves away from x86 and their recent Rocket Lake release!
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It's built to scaleable, so if Intel wants prefer to outsource a chiplet or two for its next cpu it can, it can even mix and match them - their new architecture can support say a cpu which has half TSMC 3nm chiplets on a low (or high) performance architecture and half Intel 7nm chiplets on a high (or low) performance architecture.

The idea is that Intel will no longer we held back by its own Fab having issues, by breaking down the CPU into its individual units on the die they can outsource bits and even mix architectures and process nodes - it comes together with the foveros 3D stacked interconnect and Intel's fixed function hardware scheduler chip that does the cpu resource scheduling work for the OS (Intel claims it's fixed function resource scheduler chip speeds up multithreaded performance in Windows by up to 2x) - that itself is not a surprise at all, a fixed function hardware unit is always going to get the job done much faster than software, just like that's the case for rayvtracing
 
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rustyk21 said:
It's ironic that he posted something mature, which spelled out his purchase justifications (which believe it or not you're allowed to do) and you replied with a childish comment.
He definitely seems to deliberately wind some of you up, but you all act morally superior then just continually gang up and bully him. It's sad really, two wrongs don't make a right and you should all grow up IMO.
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one doesn't get to make one sensible none-shill post and get to be let off the hook
 
robfosters said:
No point, it’s too GPU bound at 4K.it would be a few tiny frames each way.
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I agree, but I think more 1440p benchmarks is what we need. Its a good balance and shows what the CPU is capable of, without being bottlenecked by the GPU like at 4K
 
Grim5 said:
Intel has left the chat... embarrassing





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Forza 4
11700K: 193
5600X: 222 (+15%)

Cities Skylines
11700K: 62
5600X: 68 (+8%)

Cyberpunk 2077
11700K: 92 (+4%)
5600X: 88

Watch Dogs Legion
11700K: 115 (+5%)
5600X: 109

Death Stranding
11700K: 162
5600X: 194 (+19%)

Overall
11700K:
5600X: +9%

This is the same sort of thing Gamers Nexus found. Intel are just not the gaming kings anymore. those who bought a 5600X are laughing their arses off and they have the right to....
 
The Ryzen 5 5600X is now over £300 at most retailers. The issue is both the Core i5 10600K and Core i5 11600K look to be significantly cheaper,and the B560 can use RAM at full speed now. There were deals on the Core i9 9900 and Core i7 10700F for close to £200,and deals on the Core i7 10700K for under £250 a few weeks ago too.

These are both going to be faster than the competing Zen2 parts,so it doesn't matter if Zen3 is faster if its now a luxury priced part. AMD has given way too much of its 7NM wafers to consoles,so have essentially given up on competing under £280~£300. This is why the Ryzen 5 3600 now is soldering on as I expect its existing contracted production stocks.

Its the same with the AMD GPUs,it is easier to find Nvidia GPUs at closer to RRP,so again even if AMD seems competitive the street pricing is relatively worse and supply is terrible. This is why Nvidia now has even higher sales marketshare.
 
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Naff8000 said:
Could have sworn a 10700K performed better than that. Is this regression?
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No, its equal to a little faster, the 10700K or 11700K just isn't that quick when it comes to games that are more low threaded rather than making use of the threads it has compared with the 5600X, which just has much higher per core performance.

5800X here is 17% faster, the 5600X is still 12% faster.

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What has the 11600k got to do with the 11700k?

If the 11700k for most part is loosing, why would you be wanting less cores from Intel and then talk about price. Its not even small margins in a number of places.

The 10700k is still generally better for price/performance. It is cheapest in stock in UK from what can see at moment at £290. No point saying a few weeks ago it was £250 although I've not personally seen that and can't find any data to support but either way that's like saying the 5600x has been £280 which it has but it irrelevant at moment.

The 5600x is £300 to £330 at most stores at moment though. The 11700k is £390. It is still not good in terms of the specific chip being discussed.
 
I would like to see a £250 5600 None X.

I have seen 10700KF for £280, I'm not sure but that might not last, i think i have read somewhere, can't remember where, Intel have stopped Comment Lake production, so this is leftover inventory.

The 11700K is too expensive, coupled also with expensive Z590 Motherboards, at £420 the 5800X is better value, you're getting a better CPU and a half decent motherboard is cheaper.

AMD right now have no reason to do anything at all and with their wafer shortages are in no way inclined to do anything, if or once Comet Lake stock dries up AMD are competing with themselves.
 
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