*** Rogue One: A Star Wars Story *** (NOW WITH SPOILERS)
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100% agree - i even said to my friend a couple of hours ago that it wasn't any better than gollum in terms of look. I also thought 'video game' whenever i saw his face.
maybe its something to do with going fully cgi because i thought young micheal douglas in ant man was very very well done, but then they had an actor to 'add' to.
They should have done the same and added to an actor+prosthetics.
i think some people are more sensitive to faces than others because my friend thought it was really life like, but to me it screamed FAKE.
Still a good film and i'll watch it again.
Or its more so you KNOW its cg particularly when its a person you know is no longer around, or much older yet has been "de-aged" so are more likely to pick out flaws in it. When that cadburys advert with Hepburn first aired everyone assumed it was a double, but when it was revealed to be mostly cg the usual critics appeared online saying they knew it because of this and that...yet didn't mention this much earlier in the adverts run.
well, i know that advert is cgi but i still think its very good - there is just something wrong about tarkin though, and leia for that matter - it just wasn't up to scratch.
Soldato
No, in this case it was just poorly, poorly done by todays standards. Motion was bad, texture was all plasticky, it wasn't even graded properly vs backgrounds - making something so weird looking and fake just a tad darker and with less direct light would hide a lot of problems, so in my book, they didn't TRY fixing it. This thing was as bad as Snoke, and Snoke was grotesque - worse than some of the mocap faces on our screens from 15 years ago. Both will age horribly. I saw it in 2D btw.
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Well having seen it tonight I can definitely say it was SO much better than TFA (aka ANH 2.0).
I seriously hope Episode VIII follows the style of Rogue One and is not a reboot of ESB like TFA was a reboot of ANH.
As a whole film by far the best SW film in a long time.
I loved the darker tone and grittiness. The environment effects and space battles were awesome. Vader was awesome in that end fight scene. All the little nods and things were awesome. The technology design was almost perfect. I loved that Cassian was styled like Kyle Katarn. I loved how all their deaths were "normal" and ordinary, not overly dramatised as is usual in this kind of "last stand" film stories; it felt believable and plausible. I liked the low key understated nature of the whole film - no excessive technology, force users, weapons that can drain a star and blow up five planets at once... god it reminds me how stupid TFA was.
Nitpicks:
- ok just how many desert planets with breathable atmosphere are there... I mean TFA just conjures up Jakku from nowhere and now we get Jedha. Would be nice to see more alien worlds. Eadu was the best location they had.
- CGI Tarkin should have been better. I preferred this to a different actor, because it doesn't bother me given how often we are exposed to CG humans in video games, but felt it wasn't as realistic as it could have been.
- what was Forrest Whitaker's character's purpose again?
- would have liked to see Vader wrecking more alliance troops as it felt like a tiny sip of delicious drink but then that's it...
Nitpicks:
- ok just how many desert planets with breathable atmosphere are there... I mean TFA just conjures up Jakku from nowhere and now we get Jedha. Would be nice to see more alien worlds. Eadu was the best location they had.
- CGI Tarkin should have been better. I preferred this to a different actor, because it doesn't bother me given how often we are exposed to CG humans in video games, but felt it wasn't as realistic as it could have been.
- what was Forrest Whitaker's character's purpose again?
- would have liked to see Vader wrecking more alliance troops as it felt like a tiny sip of delicious drink but then that's it...
As a whole film by far the best SW film in a long time.
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I saw it tonight. I thought overall it was a really good movie.
It was definitely darker than Force Awakens, which is the way a war movie should be. I liked that they had Tarkin in it. The Leia CGI looked weird though. I would have liked a couple more scenes with Vader in it, but what we got was still pretty good. Especially the bit at the end. I was really surprised that NONE of the new Rogue One characters got out alive. I thought for sure at least Jyn and Cassian were going to escape until the Death Star took them out.
I loved the space battle and the ground battle in the third act. Was really well done.
And I love the way that the movie basically ends right as the events of A New Hope begin. I wonder how much time actually passes between the two. Minutes? Hours?
I loved the space battle and the ground battle in the third act. Was really well done.
And I love the way that the movie basically ends right as the events of A New Hope begin. I wonder how much time actually passes between the two. Minutes? Hours?
I thought the film was fantastic.
As a fan, ofc I could nit pick. But then, I could nit pick every film I've ever seen.
Nope, this time I've sat back and enjoyed it.
Really like how well it stitched into A New Hope.
Only thing I hated, is that I am even more disappointed with I II III.
(I secretly wanted a 5 second scene of cgi alec in a darkened cave touching his beard)
As a fan, ofc I could nit pick. But then, I could nit pick every film I've ever seen.
Nope, this time I've sat back and enjoyed it.
Really like how well it stitched into A New Hope.
Only thing I hated, is that I am even more disappointed with I II III.
(I secretly wanted a 5 second scene of cgi alec in a darkened cave touching his beard)
Soldato
Just watched it tonight - I'm not sure I liked it.
There's plenty that I thought was well done but it just didn't "feel" right to me. One big part was the score which was very poor, sounding like one of those ringtone company versions of Star Wars but with a few notes changed so they don't get sued so it sound similar but wrong.
I thought the CGI for Tarkin/Leia was awful and would have preferred Tarkin intro (reflection in glass) to be the limit of his role. However the CGI for Red/Gold Leader was perfect!
I liked most of the Vader parts and the fact the story ends how I said it would a few months ago (yay!).
Overall it just didn't feel like a single well thought-out Start-Middle-End story which I'm guessing is down to the re-shoots. Instead it felt very choppy in the editing but I thought the action sequences were very well done and pretty much saved the movie for me.
As for the leads, I wasn't impressed by either and thought the "secondary" characters had more charisma. I also thought the "holding hands on the beach" scene was a very tacky way to complete their story although I'm glad their story finished with the film.
I know it sounds more negative than positive but despite being a 40yo (seems to be the target audience) I actually felt more "wow" at Force Awakens so while this is an OK film it just didn't feel right to me.
I think the Independent newspaper review, which everyone slated, actually matched my own opinions - http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...erso-darth-vader-gareth-edwards-a7473266.html
***EDIT*** - This was my guess of the ending from mid-October, so very close but I would have preferred my ending to the one shown regarding the escaping ship.
There's plenty that I thought was well done but it just didn't "feel" right to me. One big part was the score which was very poor, sounding like one of those ringtone company versions of Star Wars but with a few notes changed so they don't get sued so it sound similar but wrong.
I thought the CGI for Tarkin/Leia was awful and would have preferred Tarkin intro (reflection in glass) to be the limit of his role. However the CGI for Red/Gold Leader was perfect!
I liked most of the Vader parts and the fact the story ends how I said it would a few months ago (yay!).
Overall it just didn't feel like a single well thought-out Start-Middle-End story which I'm guessing is down to the re-shoots. Instead it felt very choppy in the editing but I thought the action sequences were very well done and pretty much saved the movie for me.
As for the leads, I wasn't impressed by either and thought the "secondary" characters had more charisma. I also thought the "holding hands on the beach" scene was a very tacky way to complete their story although I'm glad their story finished with the film.
I know it sounds more negative than positive but despite being a 40yo (seems to be the target audience) I actually felt more "wow" at Force Awakens so while this is an OK film it just didn't feel right to me.
I think the Independent newspaper review, which everyone slated, actually matched my own opinions - http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...erso-darth-vader-gareth-edwards-a7473266.html
***EDIT*** - This was my guess of the ending from mid-October, so very close but I would have preferred my ending to the one shown regarding the escaping ship.
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Vader at the ending.
You watch the entire saga learning about this character that should be truly feared. And when he boards the rebels ship... and he just destroyed so many rebels. Force choking a rebel against the ceiling with a straining fist while lashing at others. It reeked of power and lived up to the character so much.
You watch the entire saga learning about this character that should be truly feared. And when he boards the rebels ship... and he just destroyed so many rebels. Force choking a rebel against the ceiling with a straining fist while lashing at others. It reeked of power and lived up to the character so much.
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The music I can forgive because the guy had only a month to score it, that is a fraction of what they normally get. I bet John Williams would have got 6 months + to score any one of them.
The CGI I can forgive in terms of where they are, but how they used it it felt too much and too up front.
It is the characters that I found lacking. We had about an hour before the movie really got going and we learn nothing about anyone but Jyn really. We only know Cassian has been fighting since he was 6 years old and that he will shoot his own side, that was his ONLY line about his background. We know Bodhi (the pilot who rebel) was influenced by Jyn's father but that was it, I don't know much about the 2 monks are they both monks?
An hour to introduce character we really could have known more about them and would help me care more at the end. The characters in Rogue One is far too one dimensional.
The CGI I can forgive in terms of where they are, but how they used it it felt too much and too up front.
It is the characters that I found lacking. We had about an hour before the movie really got going and we learn nothing about anyone but Jyn really. We only know Cassian has been fighting since he was 6 years old and that he will shoot his own side, that was his ONLY line about his background. We know Bodhi (the pilot who rebel) was influenced by Jyn's father but that was it, I don't know much about the 2 monks are they both monks?
An hour to introduce character we really could have known more about them and would help me care more at the end. The characters in Rogue One is far too one dimensional.
Soldato
But that's why it worked. These were disposable heroes. They ain't coming back. We won't hear about their names in the next instalment (Ep 4). Their mission was pre-defined, the outcome was predictable and known. They were merely cast of Guns of Navarone, Where Eagles Dare or Magnificent 7 but in space. And just like you don't need to know indepth portfolios of Maj. John Smith's team to cheer them on during their adventures on the way to Schloss Adler, or know what motivated Sam Chisholm's sidekicks to defend small, insignificant town in the middle of nowhere, we don't really need to know Rogue One's crew by their childhoods, tear jerking "American Idol" back stories and we can totally get by with mere one liners explaining their skill sets. I think it was ideal arrangement.
Btw, about the "monks" (Chirrut and Baze, and no, Chirrut was a monk from Jedi Temple, Baze was assassin by trade) - the funniest thing I read after premiere was some critic in metro rubbing her column to "Star Wars' first gay couple". See - perfectly ambiguous character development - some see samurai in space, others see rainbow shooting fringe flicking fab-h-ulous...
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Soldato
Are you sure you were in the right screen at the cinema? sounds like you watched a different movie.
Soldato
Are you sure?!?!
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A few of these reviews sound like they are coming from people who have seen a pirated version.
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I thought it was great and up there with Empire.
It was reasonably obvious they all had to die as none of them have come up before in the original films and I'm sure they would have during Star Wars.
The original cgaracters CGI, whilst far from perfect, was appreciated and it won't be too long before actors should start worrying. Cheaper to pay CGI artists than actors eventually. There was a film in the 80s that had a story line about this but I'm struggling to remember what it was called.
It was great having a Star Wars film where we only get to see a light sabre briefly instead of left right and bloody centre. Just like early SWG.
As adult as the film was I'd love to see a properly done adult SW film that gas at least a 15 certificate. The Darth Bane books would be nice.
The original cgaracters CGI, whilst far from perfect, was appreciated and it won't be too long before actors should start worrying. Cheaper to pay CGI artists than actors eventually. There was a film in the 80s that had a story line about this but I'm struggling to remember what it was called.
It was great having a Star Wars film where we only get to see a light sabre briefly instead of left right and bloody centre. Just like early SWG.
As adult as the film was I'd love to see a properly done adult SW film that gas at least a 15 certificate. The Darth Bane books would be nice.
I saw it a few nights ago. Brilliant film. In fact I would go as far as to say it's the best Star Wars film made so far. Great story, loads of action, some nice touches of humour to set off the general grittiness. Touches of the Dirty Dozen in the finale I thought.
Tarkin's CGI was fine. I didn't have any problems with that at all but Leia's was pretty bad as it was instantly noticeable.
Vader's single handed invasion of the Rebel ship at the end was excellent. Someone whined about it being a few blokes in a tiny corridor - have you even seen A New Hope?!?
Tarkin's CGI was fine. I didn't have any problems with that at all but Leia's was pretty bad as it was instantly noticeable.
Vader's single handed invasion of the Rebel ship at the end was excellent. Someone whined about it being a few blokes in a tiny corridor - have you even seen A New Hope?!?