Rosie Jones

[sidimmu]

There was subtitles but when it is a live recording having subtitles ruins it when everybody is being shown, if it was just her then maybe not as bad.

I say just subtitle Rosie when she speaks, not the entire crew.
Its like those parts in movies speaking a made up language, they subtitle it to help everyone follow, the same should apply.
I remember watching some American shows where they could have UK guests and depending on the accent would depend on if they get subtitled.

are we being ableist or does it only apply to Rosie?

I would say sensible unless you spent time with the Irish and understand them. I lived with an Irish man for a few years through uni which did help.

Were we being ableist when we had to turn subtitles on for that old bloke in Clarkson's Farm?

No, being sensible.
A comparison could be the rural farmer in Hot Fuzz, might not be the prettiest way forward, but is the only way to progress with it.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

I always get her confused with boobs woman

 

[gingergundog]

She is a crap comedian because of her disability but she is not a crap person because of her disability...which is something that certain people don't get when she is being criticised.

I don't even know if she is funny because when I've had the patience to wait for the jokes I still don't understand what she is saying.

She should be writing shows if that's what she is good at but unfortunately there are plenty of enablers pushing that she is entertaining on tv.

 

[Feek]

but unfortunately there are plenty of enablers pushing that she is entertaining on tv.

This is the problem, I read the DM article linked earlier in this thread and there are posts there from other celebrities saying how good she is. I genuinely think that's because they're scared to say anything against her in case they get (and I hate the term) cancelled.

It's like when you see some ugly bint post a selfie on Facebook and all her friends tell her how pretty she looks.

 

[Nitefly]

Watched a couple of clips of her and, having afforded her the time that I would like to think I would afford to anyone I actually met with that sort of impediment, I do think she was pretty funny tbh… not the funniest person ever, but funny enough reasonably speaking. Chappelle has just ruined / destroyed all others comedians for me anyway

But I could also foresee my patience waning over longer periods of exposure… particularly on a TV show.

I’m therefore a little torn considering which of the following reflect the situation:

(a) without impediments, she would still be unfunny (not blanket true, IMO, unless we’re imposing very high standards - she does have some talent).

(b) her impediments make her unfunny (again, not blanket true, IMO - so long as you can afford and maintain some patience).

(c) we, society, have little time to tolerate the unfortunate impediments of others that interfere with our enjoyment.

It’ll be different mix for everyone but I think it’s probably a combo of (b) and (c) for many of us… and (c) is a pretty ugly truth. But I guess we are all busy humans after all.

Makes me feel sorry for her tbh… must take some real bravery to do what she does. But I don’t think I’d be buying a ticket myself.

 

[Feek]

But I don’t think I’d be buying a ticket myself.

Neither are many other people - I just looked at her tour site and picked fifteen random venues, many of them aren't even half booked and some are quite small.

 

[Jokester]

She scores 2 out of 3 on the diversity trifecta, so it's no wonder she does well on the BBC/C4.

 

[Moley]

I don't find her funny at all. She is completely unable to deliver comic timing which is an essential skill as a comedienne. She should stick to writing.

 

[GIBURROWS]

This is the problem, I read the DM article linked earlier in this thread and there are posts there from other celebrities saying how good she is. I genuinely think that's because they're scared to say anything against her in case they get (and I hate the term) cancelled.

It's like when you see some ugly bint post a selfie on Facebook and all her friends tell her how pretty she looks.

I think we have the same friends on Facebook!!!!

 

[jcr]

women just arent funny.

 

[Feek]

women just arent funny.

A few years ago, I’d have agreed but there are a few doing the rounds on panel shows who do come over well. Cariad Lloyd, Aisling Bea, Victoria Coren Mitchell, Jessica Knappett etc.

No idea what their stand up shows are like though.

 

[fez]

Unfortunately nowadays you cannot criticise someone without obviously hating them. You obviously hate them for some characteristic that is protected as well because you couldn't possibly be criticising them on a subjective matter simply because you don't think they are good at it. That would be crazy.

Shes a bad comedian because she doesn't have some of the required fundamentals for stand up or real time comedy. Timing and pacing. I find very few stand ups funny but apparently if you think Rosie Jones is crap you are ableist. I guess in the same way you would be ableist if you didn't think a blind footballer should be playing in the PL.

 

[aVdub]

Not funny that see me turn off that show on Boxing day ASAP.

Pretty funny though, is how a critic or someone that disagrees is now called a troll

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Watched a couple of clips of her and, having afforded her the time that I would like to think I would afford to anyone I actually met with that sort of impediment, I do think she was pretty funny tbh… not the funniest person ever, but funny enough reasonably speaking.

Did you watch an old clip of her or something more up to date because she has got way worse?

 

[Efour]

SexyGreyFox in a rare exhibition of "nasty" right wing disability hatred. Very Ableist attitude... unexpected from such a kind thoughtful peoples man..
2024 is going to flip everything we know.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

SexyGreyFox in a rare exhibition of "nasty" right wing disability hatred. Very Ableist attitude... unexpected from such a kind thoughtful peoples man..
2024 is going to flip everything we know.

I've turned nasty in my old age
However I really can't see a problem with me saying "I can't understand her" and somebody out there will label me for it.
Hope I don't get cancelled.

 

[Feek]

Hope I don't get cancelled.

Oh no, we'd have to make new avatars and that would be too much like hard work.

Can you imagine?

 

[TheVoice]

I like Rosie Jones, I don't have any problem understanding her and I think she's actually gotten better at communicating over the years, her speech has certainly improved. She's not afraid to make fun of herself either.

Shes about as funny as the tedious idiot that plays Philomena Cunk.... how the hell we can go from Blackadder , Red Dwarf & Monty Python to Mrs Browns Boys, Philomena Cunk and sympathy comedians in a few decades?? sorry state of affairs!!

Cunk is brilliant and not remotely in the same category as Mrs Browns Boys. The real travesty is the dearth of sketch comedy shows these days.

 

[Caracus2k]

I agree with this FWIW, but it’s a fine line.

Separately my perception is that she gets a disproportionate amount of abuse compared to her profile (QED this thread perhaps) but I’d be interested to see whether that’s the reality, and also how it compares to other female comedians.

The problem with cases like this is that it's hard to separate the individual from the wider social problem they are manifesting.

In this case its the 'DIE' cult of diversity, inclusion and equity where in true Orwellian fashion thoose words don't always mean what you may expect them to.

For example take sports. Actual greater 'inclusion' is achieved by the use categories that are relevant to performance (for example age, disability and sex).


But yet the DIE cult thinks that 'inclusion' should mean that some people should be able to 'identify' as and be 'included' in categories they are objectively not members of. And the 'inclusion' of these interlopers actually ends up with the 'exclusion' of some of the people thr category was set up for in thr 1st place!

'Diversity' to the cult means the forced diversity of only certain attributes and the use of actual systemic racism/ sexism etc to achieve the desired 'diversity' which actually often, intentionally, ends up with a massively disproportionate per capita ratio of certain groups being presented.

And as for 'equity'...... to the cult this means that, when it suits their purposes, that disparate outcomes between groups must mean that the group is suffering from 'systemic' oppression regardless of the actual facts and that the 'radical' remedies are required.

I watch far fewer panel style shows now than I used to and many of thoose I do watch are reruns of older shows.

This is in a large part because of the forced inclusion of people to fit desired diversity targets rather than their ability to actually entertain.

If people want to watch Rosie perform stand up then that's up to them. I'm not really even all that bothered if Ch 4 of the BBC want yo giver her a program of two of her own.

The viewing figures should show whether this was a good idea or not.

But what's not so great is her being placed on a panel show where not only does her comedy fall flat for a lot of people but also that she manages to make the other comics less funny as the apparent spontaneity comedy so often relies upon is disrupted as well.

 

[Feek]

I watched an episode of The Weakest Link over the Christmas period featuring one of the most unattractive sporting people this country has ever produced. This person looks like they fell out of an ugly tree at birth, hit every branch on the way down and was attacked by a badger when they were laying on the ground.

When one of the other contestants voted for this person, they said (and I quote): "I know you got one wrong, that's the only reason 'cos you're gorgeous".

People need to stop doing this. We need to stop telling people that they're attractive when they're not. We need to stop telling people they're funny when they're not. It's as though it's impossible to say anything negative now for the fear of being ostracised or 'cancelled'.