RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

Darujhistan · 6 Apr 2023 at 17:20

shamus21 said:
£500 at best, yes but Nvidia will not go that low.

They're still trying to flog VRAM gimped obsolete 3060tis and 3070s for £400 and £500 plus respectively...unbelievable really...I wonder why they're still stuck on shelves? it's laughable it really, cards that are over 2 years old, now obsolete are still around the MSRP from over 2 years ago, and actually ABOVE it in some cases...

muon · 6 Apr 2023 at 17:38

Grim5 said:
Even Nvidia admits vram is a problem for them - look at the last line.

At least they cut the price, the 4070 is $599

Nice made up sources.

No way AIBs didn't already know what the BOM cost was gonna be for them.

Also as if someone from nvidia would disparage their own company like that to some youtuber. The wording is clearly made up, no one talks like that.

Bencher · 6 Apr 2023 at 17:41

So, let's see. This is TLOU at 720p ultra

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This is Plague Tale at 4k ultra

One of them needs 5.4 gigs of vram and looks gorgeous the other one requires 10-11 (?) and looks like crap. Clearly you need to buy GPUs with more vram so youd end up with worse graphics regardless.

Darujhistan · 6 Apr 2023 at 17:41

Grim5 said:
Even Nvidia admits vram is a problem for them - look at the last line.

At least they cut the price, the 4070 is $599

Hmmm, looks very much like how it went with EVGA before they bailed...

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 6 Apr 2023 at 17:41

Grim5 said:
Even Nvidia admits vram is a problem for them - look at the last line.

At least they cut the price, the 4070 is $599

No wonder EVGA threw in the towel. Nvidia is taking more and more of the cut from the sale price I suspect.

Boomstick777 · 6 Apr 2023 at 19:25

Much more appealing at $599, but that could still end up being more pricey in the UK conversion.

Pricing across the board is mental atm anyway, what can you do..

Bencher · 6 Apr 2023 at 20:59

Joxeon said:
Well the ADA architecture must really suck then considering its a seeing a 25% performance deficit to a 628mm ampere chip and would be even worse at the same clock speeds.

Sorry was busy before for a proper answer

Yeah, the 4070 is GIGANTIC and it's clearly not performing as it should be. Maybe ADA is indeed terrible, dunno, but you can't blame them for undercutting the chip, it's actually MASSIVE in transistor count. It's 20-25% larger than a 3090ti. For comparison's sake, the 3070 was smaller (although - just barely) than a 2080ti. Big part of it is the cache I assume, but still performance is underwhelming when you consider the actual size of that thing.

EG1. The 4070s cache is 6 times bigger than the 3090tis - which is probably why the 4070 has a much higher transistor count.

Xelene · 6 Apr 2023 at 21:34

I had a spare £900 voucher that needed to be spent in the retail chain named after Chicken Korma or so and they did price match me to a 4070 Ti at £850 and promptly sold out of all video cards, as the voucher was expiring got a Sony Inzone M9 which is okay. Probably swerved a bad buy TBH. Given how broken all PC ports are these days, would expect 16GB VRAM if spending more than £500 on a card. For pure AAA gaming then you're better of getting a PlayStation at this point, it'll play games better.

g67575 · 7 Apr 2023 at 01:00

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
No wonder EVGA threw in the towel. Nvidia is taking more and more of the cut from the sale price I suspect.

The alleged 4th source doesn't sound like anything Nvidia would say, it's so unprofessional. It's just MLID covering his **** yet again.

And playing to his base by talking about VRAM (or lack of).

Rroff · 7 Apr 2023 at 01:12

Bencher said:
Sorry was busy before for a proper answer

Yeah, the 4070 is GIGANTIC and it's clearly not performing as it should be. Maybe ADA is indeed terrible, dunno, but you can't blame them for undercutting the chip, it's actually MASSIVE in transistor count. It's 20-25% larger than a 3090ti. For comparison's sake, the 3070 was smaller (although - just barely) than a 2080ti. Big part of it is the cache I assume, but still performance is underwhelming when you consider the actual size of that thing.

EG1. The 4070s cache is 6 times bigger than the 3090tis - which is probably why the 4070 has a much higher transistor count.

There are more transistors used for other stuff as well - beefed up caches in general, tensor cores and RT hardware is beefed up compared to Ampere, etc. while it might not contribute so much to overall performance now it will improve performance in certain things especially when games start to make heavier use of newer features compared to Ampere.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 7 Apr 2023 at 03:22

g67575 said:
The alleged 4th source doesn't sound like anything Nvidia would say, it's so unprofessional. It's just MLID covering his **** yet again.

And playing to his base by talking about VRAM (or lack of).

You mean like they did with Ampere and sold FE models below what partners could afford to do themselves? If you listen to what sources like Hardware Unboxed and Gamersnexus have been saying in recent years, Nvidia/AMD have been taking more of the cut themselves. Then making sure especially in the case of Nvidia the blame gets pushed onto AIB partners for being greedy. PCMR needs to stop giving Nvidia excuses for this. They tried the same over consoles with MS with the original Xbox who never used them again. Sony stopped using them. When the bumps issues happened they fell out with Apple,because they apparently started passing the buck.

They did the same during Fermi, when they squeezed board partners at the last minute WRT to margins and supply. IIRC, XFX went from Nvidia only to ATI only. BFG dissappeared.Several well known names started making ATI models for the first time too and still do. Before that when they suddenly dropped GTX200 series prices by 25% there was also issues back then.

EVGA walked away despite over half their revenue being from dGPUs yet PSUs and peripherals making far more profits for them, despite record dGPU prices. This Stockholm syndrome with Nvidia is amusing. They have for a long time gone and screwed over AIB partners with last minute pricing changes. Usually it involved them wanting to maintain margins at the expense of their partners. But since even back in the day Nvidia was still closer to 60% sales share, most AIB partners were held over a barrel. It's even worse now.

Plus videocardz.com said this:

NVIDIA splits GeForce RTX 4070 review embargo to MSRP and non-MSRP cards - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 GPUs reviews to go live on April 12th The company confirms the full embargo details with board partners. The launch of the GeForce RTX 4070 is now confirmed for April 13th, but just before this date, NVIDIA has set several embargoes for partners and reviewers. So, here’s...

videocardz.com

The FE models were originally meant to be a more premium, expensive model back during the Pascal days. But now it's become the cheapest one directly made by Nvidia for its own benefit and undercutting it's own AIB partners. So Nvidia suddenly cutting pricing at the last minute, whilst not telling it's partners sounds like something they would do.

Purgatory · 7 Apr 2023 at 06:14

NVIDIA accidentally confirms GeForce RTX 4070 GPU - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA finally admits RTX 4070 is coming The RTX 4070 GPU appears on a slide demonstrating NVIDIA Reflex technology. We are still a week away from the launch of the fourth GeForce RTX 40 desktop GPU, but NVIDIA was clearly tired of the leaks and decided to confirm the card already. As we know...

videocardz.com

gpuerrilla · 7 Apr 2023 at 07:55

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You mean like they did with Ampere and sold FE models below what partners could afford to do themselves? If you listen to what sources like Hardware Unboxed and Gamersnexus have been saying in recent years, Nvidia/AMD have been taking more of the cut themselves. Then making sure especially in the case of Nvidia the blame gets pushed onto AIB partners for being greedy. PCMR needs to stop giving Nvidia excuses for this.

Exquisite. Could have ended the post there! Thing is when a handful of us have been parroting this for the best of 4 years, clearly it isn't processing. All I still observe is defence apologists and confirmation of planned obsolescence fruiting.

cyclonus10 · 7 Apr 2023 at 08:54

g67575 said:
The alleged 4th source doesn't sound like anything Nvidia would say, it's so unprofessional.

Ah yes, the "professional" team who said there was nothing going on with the GTX 970's 4g.......I mean 3.5gb of RAM.

Darujhistan · 7 Apr 2023 at 10:21

The FE models were originally meant to be a more premium, expensive model back during the Pascal days. But now it's become the cheapest one directly made by Nvidia for its own benefit and undercutting it's own AIB partners. So Nvidia suddenly cutting pricing at the last minute, whilst not telling it's partners sounds like something they would do.

And again fits right in line with why EVGA kicked Nvidia to the curb.

Darujhistan · 7 Apr 2023 at 10:24

Purgatory said:
NVIDIA accidentally confirms GeForce RTX 4070 GPU - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA finally admits RTX 4070 is coming The RTX 4070 GPU appears on a slide demonstrating NVIDIA Reflex technology. We are still a week away from the launch of the fourth GeForce RTX 40 desktop GPU, but NVIDIA was clearly tired of the leaks and decided to confirm the card already. As we know...

videocardz.com

Do we have any rough idea where this perform at 1440p? it wil be interesting to see how big the gain is over last gen.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 7 Apr 2023 at 10:31

Darujhistan said:
Do we have any rough idea where this perform at 1440p? it wil be interesting to see how big the gain is over last gen.

RTX3080 or a bit better but costing £50 less? :cry:

Purgatory · 7 Apr 2023 at 10:45

MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ventus and Gaming GPUs leaked ahead of launch - VideoCardz.com

MSI RTX 4070 cards with 16-pin and 8-pin connectors have been pictured Two of MSI’s upcoming RTX 4070 designs have been leaked. As we have mentioned before, MSI is working on at least eight different models based on NVIDIA RTX 4070 non-Ti. This upcoming AD104-based card is set to launch next...

videocardz.com

Gigabyte RTX 4070 custom GPUs to feature either 16pin or 8pin power connectors - VideoCardz.com

Gigabyte RTX 4070 cards confirmed to offer both options It appears that we now have the very first pictures of the Gigabyte RTX 4070 series. Leaker @momomo_us shared four renders of the upcoming Gigabyte designs including Eagle, WindForce, Gaming and Aero. Those are the custom series the company...

videocardz.com

gpuerrilla · 7 Apr 2023 at 10:58

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
RTX3080 or a bit better but costing the same?

Fixed. Single fan and one power connector don't sound enticing. :cry:

gpuerrilla · 7 Apr 2023 at 10:59

Darujhistan said:
The FE models were originally meant to be a more premium, expensive model back during the Pascal days. But now it's become the cheapest one directly made by Nvidia for its own benefit and undercutting it's own AIB partners. So Nvidia suddenly cutting pricing at the last minute, whilst not telling it's partners sounds like something they would do.

Interesting the part about the 103 die plan for 3080 then samsung rejects were thrown in which is why they ended up on a 102 but a fraction of the cost..