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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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GA103-200 22bn, TU102-300 18.6bn. :confused:

I get that but my point is that size (transistor count) isn't really related to performance.

40 series cards are 25-30 percent cache that is 3-5 times denser in transistor use.. so a large percentage of the die transistor count is in the cache with 40 series. Also 40 series has not really changed much from Ampere at the SM level just a few beefed up tensor cores..

I need to look at the white paper for the 40 series against the 30 series again, but from what I remember the only real big changes were smaller manufacturing process and more SM's /cores. Example the 4090 has about 60% more cores than a 3090 and a lot more cache 16 times more.. But is 55-60% on average faster than a 3090.

A lot of them transistors are in that cache on 40 series and need to count that in too.. Reality is ADA is Ampere shrunk with more cache and faster clocks because of the new manufacturing process and high power use still 450w on a 4090 is not in real terms amazing power use... but yes we can say it is efficient compared to previous gens when comparing its performance, but reality is we need to add more and more transistors and more and more power now to see benefits in performance with current gpu architectures.
 
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FOMO like children. It's why so many are in debt now over frivalous purchases.

Yeah I don't understand why so many people live beyond their means. I paid £175 for my RX 6600 on the MM and I have such good fun playing games. I've bought low end stuff for the last 20 years. I choose to do this so I can have an early retirement and enjoy myself. Most high end gamers will be working until they're 68.
 
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..That's not what people are doing though. Plenty of people are agreeing it's bad value, paying the money, then moaning about it. It's as if people feel like they don't have a choice.

People are still set in their ways. They must upgrade. They are just unwilling to accept that they can't afford it any more. Old hobbies die hard. People will stop sooner or later, though. I think NVIDIA are killing the upgrade market. The only time people will get a new GPU will be when they buy a fresh PC. Personally, it's already dead for me. I have upgraded my monitor twice without touching my graphics card. Normally it would be the other way round.

Yeah I don't understand why so many people live beyond their means. I paid £175 for my RX 6600 on the MM and I have such good fun playing games. I've bought low end stuff for the last 20 years. I choose to do this because I would rather have an early retirement. Most high end gamers will be working until their 68.

It's not expensive for a hobby. Almost everyone can afford £2000 if they put it as a priority. We all buy much more expensive stuff, just for most people gaming is not a priority.
 
Yeah I don't understand why so many people live beyond their means. I paid £175 for my RX 6600 on the MM and I have such good fun playing games. I've bought low end stuff for the last 20 years. I choose to do this because I would rather have an early retirement. Most high end gamers will be working until their 68.

I tend to mix and match dependent on what deal I can get. Also if a game can't run well,and I need uber hardware I can always play something else,or turn some settings down if the hardware available is poor value.
40 series cards are 25-30 percent cache that is 3-5 times denser in transistor use.. so a large percentage of the die transistor count is in the cache with 40 series. Also 40 series has not really changed much from Ampere at the SM level just a few beefed up tensor cores..

I need to look at the white paper for the 40 series against the 30 series again, but from what I remember the only real big changes were smaller manufacturing process and more SM's /cores. Example the 4090 has about 60% more cores than a 3090 and a lot more cache 16 times more.. But is 55-60% on average faster than a 3090.

A lot of them transistors are in that cache on 40 series and need to count that in too.. Reality is ADA is Ampere shrunk with more cache and faster clocks because of the new manufacturing process and high power use still 450w on a 4090 is not in real terms amazing power use... but yes we can say it is efficient compared to previous gens when comparing its performance, but reality is we need to add more and more transistors and more and more power now to see benefits in performance with current gpu architectures.

It's also essentially a two node jump too. Samsung 8NM was more a 10NM class process node IIRC.
 
No, actually it hasn't - not even close. This is the first generation that the xx70 is massively larger than the previous full chip Im not talking about the 3090, im talking about the actuall full GA102.. The 3070 was smaller than the 2080ti and of course smaller than the TU102. The 2070 was smaller than the 1080ti and the GP102. The 1070 was smaller than the 980ti and the GM200. Didnt go further back, but just for context, the 4070 packs 26% more transistors than the full GA102. That's insane, and it's probably mostly the cache, which is 6 times larger this time around

Why not include the GA200? That is the previous gen full chip.
AD104 at 35B vs GA200 at 54B
 
I love how people will resort to rationalising the fact that people are being £500+ cards as people going into debt, living beyond their means, or what not.

This isn't buying a car and most people aren't poor.
 
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Remember the old days when new launches were exciting and watching reviews was fun. Seems to be disappointment mostly these days on price / performance / features..

Maybe I am looking at the past through rose tinted glasses :p

Thats because you actually used to participate and buy the top end GPU. I guess it ain’t as fun when you just end up with a mid range card? :p
 
I think a better question to ask is how much are people willing to pay for the RTX 4070 TI?

So, what price would you consider buying a TI, assuming that you think the spec is good enough?

Lots of people don't like the spec, so we already know they aren't interested.

Presumably that has had a big impact on the pricing of the RTX 4070.
 
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If the performance of the RTX 4070 is < the RTX 3080, I think I will seriously consider getting a new RX 6800 XT (probably ASRock) instead, to play at 1440p...

I suppose they may go out of stock soon though.
 
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If the performance of the RTX 4070 is < the RTX 3080, I think I will seriously consider getting a new RX 6800 XT (probably ASRock) instead, to play at 1440p...

I suppose they may go out of stock soon though.


Hard to know what amd is doing; zen4 CPUs have been out for ages now yet amd is still manufacturing zen3, so who knows how long rx6000 will be around for - at least until Amd has some rx7000 mid range cards is my guess because it's the mid range products that would be competing with last Gen high end products on Price to performance - so I suspect rx6000 cards will stick around at least until amd has announced the rx7700xt and rx7600xt
 
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I think a better question to ask is how much are people willing to pay for the RTX 4070 TI?

So, what price would you consider buying a TI, assuming that you think the spec is good enough?

Lots of people don't like the spec, so we already know they aren't interested.

Presumably that has had a big impact on the pricing of the RTX 4070.
Prices across the board need to come down by at least 30% IMHO.
 
I think a better question to ask is how much are people willing to pay for the RTX 4070 TI?

So, what price would you consider buying a TI, assuming that you think the spec is good enough?

Lots of people don't like the spec, so we already know they aren't interested.

Presumably that has had a big impact on the pricing of the RTX 4070.

Starting with IMO the 4080 is a £800 card at most, accounting for everything being more expensive these days, and the 4070 cards are realistically closer to a tier down from their model names so prices closer to half what nVidia is charging.

Not an opinion everyone will share but I'm OK with nVidia charging whatever for the 4090 and any actual top end cards, if I need/want it I'll pay for it - a card at the existing 4070ti price point onwards should be at a minimum a 10K shader, 16GB part.
 
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Starting with IMO the 4080 is a £800 card at most, accounting for everything being more expensive these days, and the 4070 cards are realistically closer to a tier down from their model names so prices closer to half what nVidia is charging.

Not an opinion everyone will share but I'm OK with nVidia charging whatever for the 4090 and any actual top end cards, if I need/want it I'll pay for it - a card at the existing 4070ti price point onwards should be at a minimum a 10K shader, 16GB part.

This is my biggest issue with them. I never had an issue if they wanted to milk their top end card like Titan. Please feel free to milk the people who don't mind being milked. But for god sakes offer good value withe the rest of your cards!

Nope, they got so greedy they want to milk everyone!
 
This is my biggest issue with them. I never had an issue if they wanted to milk their top end card like Titan. Please feel free to milk the people who don't mind being milked. But for god sakes offer good value withe the rest of your cards!

Nope, they got so greedy they want to milk everyone!

Personally I think the 4090 is a lot of card for the money - almost ironically if you pay out for it as the 4000 series goes the least of being milked LOL. The 4070ti is just a terrible proposition in terms of what you get for what you pay.
 
That's not a normal price for a 4080 though....

What's normal?

Personally I think the 4090 is a lot of card for the money - almost ironically if you pay out for it as the 4000 series goes the least of being milked LOL. The 4070ti is just a terrible proposition in terms of what you get for what you pay.
Yes it's a lot of card for the money if you become normalized to high prices.
 
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