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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Its advantages seem to be over the similar MSRP 3080.

More power efficient vs 3080.
Much better AV1 encoding.
Slightly more VRAM 12 gigs instead of 10.
DLSS3.

The one bold is the one I care most about, I want more VRAM but 12 wouldnt cut it, DLSS3 is only supported in a tiny % of the PC game library.

Linus compared it to the 6800XT which can be had for the money, that better performance due to driver improvements AMD has been making and has 16 gigs of VRAM. But doesnt have AV1 encoding and inferior energy efficiency.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nvidia pushed up tiers this generation on desktop:
1.)AD102=GA102(similar die size) and 384 bit memory controller. Memory in 12GB/24GB tranches.
2.)AD103=GA104(similar die size and the GA103 never made it to desktop) and 256 bit memory controller.Memory in 8GB/16GB tranches.
3.)AD104=GA106(similar die size) and 192 bit memory controller.Memory in 6GB/12GB tranches.
4.)AD106=GA107 and 128 bit memory controller.Memory in 4GB/8GB tranches.

So basically if we ignored price:
1.)RTX3090/RTX3090TI=RTX4090(AD102)
2.)RTX3080/RTX3080TI= no equivalent
3.)RTX3070/RTX3070TI=RTX4080(AD103)
4.)RTX3060TI/RTX3060=RTX4070TI/RTX4070(AD104)
5.)RTX3050=RTX4060TI/RTX4060(AD106)

The RTX4060/RTX4060TI only have 128 bit memory buses,so can only do 4GB/8GB/16GB unless Nvidia try memory segmentation(like the GTX660/GTX660/GTX970). But it's most likely they wanted to upsell people to the "RTX4070" 12GB if you want more VRAM. This is the same tactic Apple does if you want more RAM and SSD storage. Suddenly the spec gets more expensive.
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That is a completely wrong way of looking at it for multiple reasons. It's not that Nvidia pushed up tiers with ada, it's that they pushed them down with ampere. Traditionally the xx70 has been the 104 and 106 die, and xx80 was 103 and 104. 1080 was 104 , 2080 was 104. So, nothing to see here, move along?
 
Jono8 said:
The enthusiasm just isn't there.

If this was released at the same RRP price as the 3070 (ie £469) it would have likely flown off the shelves. At nearly the same price as the 3080 two and half years later? Na.
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You mean to suggest Nvidia, giving their customers a decent product, at a fair price?, what is this lunacy?!, begone with you!, Ngreedia heratic!
 
Gibbo said:
I've had a few words and have got both our MBA 7900 XT back to £799, wrangled some additional support! :D
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It all helps :) Price is definitely the issue, no shortage of people wanting an upgrade, just a shortage of cash :cry: AMD and Nvidia just need to have a long hard look at the current market, stock everywhere and potential customers on old(er) hardware. Summer is coming too:cool:
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nvidia pushed up tiers this generation on desktop:
1.)AD102=GA102(similar die size) and 384 bit memory controller. Memory in 12GB/24GB tranches.
2.)AD103=GA104(similar die size and the GA103 never made it to desktop) and 256 bit memory controller.Memory in 8GB/16GB tranches.
3.)AD104=GA106(similar die size) and 192 bit memory controller.Memory in 6GB/12GB tranches.
4.)AD106=GA107 and 128 bit memory controller.Memory in 4GB/8GB tranches.

So basically if we ignored price:
1.)RTX3090/RTX3090TI=RTX4090(AD102)
2.)RTX3080/RTX3080TI= no equivalent
3.)RTX3070/RTX3070TI=RTX4080(AD103)
4.)RTX3060TI/RTX3060=RTX4070TI/RTX4070(AD104)
5.)RTX3050=RTX4060TI/RTX4060(AD106)

The RTX4060/RTX4060TI only have 128 bit memory buses,so can only do 4GB/8GB/16GB unless Nvidia try memory segmentation(like the GTX660/GTX660/GTX970). But it's most likely they wanted to upsell people to the "RTX4070" 12GB if you want more VRAM. This is the same tactic Apple does if you want more RAM and SSD storage. Suddenly the spec gets more expensive.
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Keep telling people this but they think i'm mad :cry:.
 
Purgatory said:

And less and less components on the PCB... Go look at the 3080 FE PCB which is what this card really competes/matches with and that was sold for £650 with a lot more components and larger cooler. Nvidia has shrunk the chips and the components on the boards so making a huge saving that way, these cards must have huge margins compared to even the 3080.

Also the funny thing is there maybe even a future 8GB version as there is 8 spaces for memory chips, or even a 16GB version SUPER DUPER.
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As the 4070 is so low power they might have designed a board that they can reuse from the 4070 for the 4060ti and 4060 to cut costs, (e.g. I have read it claimed that the 2060 12Gb used the same board as the 3060 12GB). Which would make sense if the 4060ti and 4060 are said to be 8GB cards
 
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It's basically a 3080 with frame insertion.....

Great card in terms of efficiency but why couldn't they take it up to 250w, that would have still been quite efficient compared to last gen and probably provide a decent boost, with a slightly better cooler.

Seems like they're holding it back to be honest, which is annoying.
 
Lightnix said:
That's (edit: having 8GB) the current state of the rumour mill/leaks at least. Obviously nothing's official and take with a pinch of salt but they have been more or less accurate with 4xxx series cards so far.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060-ti.c3890
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Armageus said:
Magic 8 Ball says "don't count on it". :D

4080 used AD 103 which was also used in 4090 Laptop with 16GB
4070Ti/4070 used AD104 which was also used in 4080 Laptop with 12GB

So I imagine 4060 will use AD106 which is the 4070 Laptop part that currently has 8GB on a 128-Bit bus

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GeForce RTX 40 series - Wikipedia

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6750XT is the ~£400 12Gb option now
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Wow that sucks. Unfortunately my main use case for upgrade is Stable Diffusion so AMD not really a good option.
 
I'm Jonesing for a new card to replace my 5700XT with, one of these at £499 would be a fairly easy choice and could live with the 12GB VRAM buffer. Will wait to see what 7700XT / 7800XT bring to the market.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Nvidia pushed up tiers this generation on desktop:
1.)AD102=GA102(similar die size) and 384 bit memory controller. Memory in 12GB/24GB tranches.
2.)AD103=GA104(similar die size and the GA103 never made it to desktop) and 256 bit memory controller.Memory in 8GB/16GB tranches.
3.)AD104=GA106(similar die size) and 192 bit memory controller.Memory in 6GB/12GB tranches.
4.)AD106=GA107 and 128 bit memory controller.Memory in 4GB/8GB tranches.

So basically if we ignored price:
1.)RTX3090/RTX3090TI=RTX4090(AD102)
2.)RTX3080/RTX3080TI= no equivalent
3.)RTX3070/RTX3070TI=RTX4080(AD103)
4.)RTX3060TI/RTX3060=RTX4070TI/RTX4070(AD104)
5.)RTX3050=RTX4060TI/RTX4060(AD106)

The RTX4060/RTX4060TI only have 128 bit memory buses,so can only do 4GB/8GB/16GB unless Nvidia try memory segmentation(like the GTX660/GTX660/GTX970). But it's most likely they wanted to upsell people to the "RTX4070" 12GB if you want more VRAM. This is the same tactic Apple does if you want more RAM and SSD storage. Suddenly the spec gets more expensive.
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Well they could always trim down Ad106 to 96bit, that way you get your 12GB!
Oh no hang on, I don't think they produce gddr6 in those capacities. Oh well.
 
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Troezar said:
Anyone wondering if this is because they need to stretch out the generations a bit as "Moore's law is dead" according to Jensen? Or just a money grab? :cry:
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There was no need to make the 4090 as fast as it is if they wanted to ration out performance, especially with AMD not even trying to compete at that price tier. It's just pure profiteering. The crypto bubble went pop, so it's up to you to make sure the shareholders get what they want.
 
Aretak said:
There was no need to make the 4090 as fast as it is if they wanted to ration out performance, especially with AMD not even trying to compete at that price tier. It's just pure profiteering. The crypto bubble went pop, so it's up to you to make sure the shareholders get what they want.
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I think the game is to drive sales to the 4090 by making the lower tiers feel like worse deals. Apple does this a lot. So the 4090 can be as good as can be but the lower tiers can be less good under this kind of strategy.

"Oh well the MacBook air comes with only 8GB of RAM, you might as well upgrade it to 16GB... oh wait now it's almost the price of the 13" MacBook Pro why not just get that? Well because the 14" knocks it out of the park for only a few hundred more of course! And what's a few hundred when you're already spending more than a grand?"
 
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