The whole thing is pathetic. The baiting by some posters on both 'sides' is getting really tedious now. Also Boris and co potentially ruined the futures of thousands of young people but all he does is bang on about some song, what an embarrassment.
Rule Britannia or not?
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It's not really pathetic though is it?
Johnson is able to dodge scrutiny on the recent incompetence scandals by blowing the dog-whistle, and redoubling the attacks on the BBC while Murdoch continues his work towards launching his new GB News outlet, and a Murdoch man (Tony Abbott) is named our new President of the Board of Trade.
Clearly this will be another dig at the Civil Service, who they are trying to turn the public against, so they can destroy it. Or it will be remainer traitors.
I mean you only have to look at this thread and see that it has worked as they are some people so furious they can't even talk about anymore.
60,000 excess deaths and peoples exam results and potentially their entire lives messed up and not a peep out of them but try and take away our flag waving sing a long for the proms and there is going to be blood spilled in the streets and a revolution!
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A few days ago I watched a performance from 2007 of Shostakovich’s Tenth Symphony, Bernstein’s Symphonic Dances from West Side Story by the Simon Bolivar National Youth Orchestra of Venezuela under the 26 year old Conductor Gustavo Dudamel.
As a general rule I would not have bought tickets to and probably would not bother to watch a Youth Orchestra but this is considered to be a Proms classic and I can heartily recommend it, the audience reaction is absolutely incredible and the performers were so enthusiastic - I heartily recommend it - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007xljj.
You don't get the same effect watching / listening to music on TV as you do by being there but there is something fascinating about seeing the players, the instruments and the Conductor in close-up that you can't get from seats in the auditorium.
ps - Another great listen - "Stockhausen: the point music changed forever" - https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/blog/think-aloud-podcast-stockhausen-point-music-changed-forever
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I can never understand the hatred for British traditions like the proms.
Don’t like it? Don’t go and don’t watch it on TV then.
It’s hurting no-one, so leave it alone.
Don’t like it? Don’t go and don’t watch it on TV then.
It’s hurting no-one, so leave it alone.
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McStylist gone full potato again, suggest retreating to your safe space for a week. 
To answer your question, of course I didn't care because before the 'dog whistle' i.e. alerted that there might be an issue I didn't know there was an issue.
Are you using the term dog whistle for someone who alerts people that something changed?
I'm listening to all sides of this issue. I can hear the objections some people have to Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory. So it's not like nobody is objecting to the songs.
Minority agitators have far too much influence now and the media just lap it up to cause division.
We literally have illegal sweatshops running in this country while everyone puts all their energy into debating this topic.
I personally think these songs should be forever part of the Proms roster and I want to protect them, the media and the BBC need to concentrate on real injustice not some song lyrics that you have to try extra hard to actually be offended by.
We literally have illegal sweatshops running in this country while everyone puts all their energy into debating this topic.
I personally think these songs should be forever part of the Proms roster and I want to protect them, the media and the BBC need to concentrate on real injustice not some song lyrics that you have to try extra hard to actually be offended by.
Yes but there is only a debate going on now by some people because a dog whistle was blown. It has now become a discussion about the lyrics (which have changed over to years to suit current politics and outlooks anyway) when it appears it never was an issue in the first place.
Even Michael Grade said as much this morning that the BBC are out of touch and made a mistake. But not the mistake you think. The mistake the BBC made was is deciding to drop the lyrics without seeing that some people (on both sides) would see that this was down to a different agenda to the real reasons they were dropped. He called them naive that they shouldnt have seen this mess coming and they should have either found some way to keep those songs in with with singers or drop them altogether or perhaps even abandon the last night full stop.
So now you have people like McT who seem so angry that if this was the the US, they would have gone out and shot up a school by now and we have some loonies on the other side who now think both songs should be dropped because of their colonial history.
Even Boris has felt the need to come out of his three months in hiding to rally the plucky British spirit and say this is going too far.
The more this blows up the more I wonder why we are being shown the dead cat on the table...........
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The proms? Is that some show boomers watch or something?
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The Promenaders are at least not on the streets of Pakistan in an illegal gathering risking the nations health, screaming "Britain, Britain" in the faces of the Pakistani police force, whilst launching missiles at them. The Promenaders have national pride, but contain it jovially and with full regard to the law. It's strange how the anti nationalists have differing levels of agitation over the two events.
Nah, we boomers are all too busy relieving ourselves whilst watching Ex on the Beach and Love Island
I've never watched The Proms, although to be fair there has to be something quite special on for me to watch any TV, but clearly people being offended by our national anthem is not something we should do anything about, the lyrics aren't racist or offensive and there's no need to change them.
McStylist gone full potato again, suggest retreating to your safe space for a week.
Oh sweety, you're not the one to be throwing that stone around!
Even with all this in the media lately, I'm still not entirely clear which lyrics are causing the offence
I am not disagreeing but its more to the fact that he ignores Covid and ignores the exam mess but all of sudden its the last Night of the Proms and he is there making speeches and saying "they" have told him he shouldnt be making and defending the songs.
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What drugs have you been taking today? Your post makes no since? Who are the Promenaders? What has Pakistan got to do with Jerusalem? Who are the anti nationalists? People like me who think this has been blown up out of all proportion into a story that it was never about in the first place just so some jingoistic English Nationals can get all triggered over it?
Who is being offended by our National Anthem? That is still being sung at the Proms and was never up for debate? Or do you think Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory is our National Anthem>?
